Common sense to stop meat consumption also has not worked sufficiently until now. Any ideas for a better strategy? Or just plunge forward into an inhabitable planet, discarding any responsibility, mistreating animals as we go?
There’s no arguing a moron who keeps pretending it’s black and white. I’ll prove to you just how asinine your view is: my brother is a hunter. They cull roe deer to keep the population in check, since humans have been the apex predator in these parts for thousands of years.
If they didn’t cull them, the population would destroy the entire ecological system, which would lead to all the deer dying, eventually. Not to mention increased deer accidents on roads, killing more people.
So while you like to pretend that death is horrible and to be avoided at all costs if you can, but then end up advocating practices which would lead to suffering and death, just indirectly.
Ie if you’re put into a trolley problem, you’re the type to just stand there without pulling the lever which would save several life at the cost of one, because “murdering is wrong and I’d bw actively killing the other person myself”. Meaning that you put your own ideas and the sense of personality you have above the lives of others. Not just better as ideas, but you’d actually stand there watching the trolley roll over people you could’ve saved, but chose not to, so that you can just blame others.
And you talk of empathy, rofl. Maybe start by trying to understand your own thoughts/views.
Oh and eating the resulting meat from the culling is fucking delicious AND moral.
What would you do with sheep amd cows btw? They require people. Sheep have to be shorn. If you don’t shear your sheep, that’s tantamount to animal abuse. So we end up getting wool, but you don’t think it’s moral to use that. Why?
So if you think we can’t keep sheep or cows anymore, and they can’t be released into the wild because they are domesticated species. So then stop letting them breed at all, meaning that in a generation, they’d be completely gone.
So you end up advocating for genocide of entire species with this black and white view you have.
You know all the produce you eat is protected from pests and other animals? Your avocado isn’t “cruelty-free” dude, and eating avocados when they’re not even grown on the same continent, have them flown to you? But that’s moral again, because you don’t have to personally think about death you’re indirectly causing.
Well Mr. Knowitall, let me help you in you nuanced world view that you’re so well known for. Hunting isn’t the main source of meat consumption worldwide, cattle is. Together with humans, this adds up to about 95-97% of all terrestrial mammal biomass, depending on what research result you care to follow. Your brother is making life more miserable for the remaining percentage who have a tough time holding on as it is. Keeping the population in check is just an excuse that hunters use to justify their love for killing off animals. Often it takes a second or third shot for the final kill, letting the animal suffer in the mean time.
Also, predation isn’t the main driver for a population size, the amount of available food is. Although natural predators do help in keeping the ecosystem healthy, which indirectly leads to more stable populations. People can’t do that really, we’re only suitable for extermination, as we’ve proven time and time again. You speak of thousands of years as if that means anything in nature, where ecosystems have existed for hundreds of thousands of years. Besides, human population density is only something of the last two centuries.
No need to remind me of my shortcomings, I’m well aware of them. But you do know that meat consumption requires more plants and associated animal harm than a vegan diet, right?
When we stop breeding farm animals now they will be gone in about 20 years time, or sooner when bloodthirsty types like yourself will have a go at them. Their place will then be taken by wild animals, in more abundant nature because way less area is required for our plant-based food production.
Anyway, eating meat is a choice, which does not benefit the animals being eaten. It is only for human pleasure. And for humans it’s not even necessary to eat meat, as we’re omnivores. You can still have tasty meals without meat, believe me.
But hey, I’m done with this discussion, you’ll probably never agree to any point I make. Take care, perhaps you have some vegetarians or vegans nearby that you might talk to, so you can start to live more sustainably, together with the rest of the 8 billion we number.
PS: calling me a moron does prove my point of you lacking empathy. Please do better than that.
meat consumption requires more plants and associated animal harm than a vegan diet
livestock are mostly fed parts of plants that we dont want to eat. the same amount of plants would probably be harvested, but the by products would just go to waste.
Cause: very simple logic about a very black and white worldview (veganism)
Effect: mister “you don’t understand cause and effect” runs away with his tail between his legs
It’s literally always the same. You have bravado and think youre better but in fact you’re just looking for an ingroup which allows you to feel superior to others (you’re not)
Who eats suet and why have you made it salty? I’d think “salty fat” would be closer to bacon.
It’s a favorite vegan pastime to invent the most disgustable description of animal based foods possible.
Well I’m sorry to say but I think you just won’t be able to come up with anything that would deter someone.
Common sense to stop meat consumption also has not worked sufficiently until now. Any ideas for a better strategy? Or just plunge forward into an inhabitable planet, discarding any responsibility, mistreating animals as we go?
Nice strawman.
What’s it like, living in a black and white world?
Literally no idea. You can’t see cause and effect, can you? No sense of empathy neither. Ah well, you’re not alone, unfortunately. For the moment.
Again, black and white.
There’s no arguing a moron who keeps pretending it’s black and white. I’ll prove to you just how asinine your view is: my brother is a hunter. They cull roe deer to keep the population in check, since humans have been the apex predator in these parts for thousands of years.
If they didn’t cull them, the population would destroy the entire ecological system, which would lead to all the deer dying, eventually. Not to mention increased deer accidents on roads, killing more people.
So while you like to pretend that death is horrible and to be avoided at all costs if you can, but then end up advocating practices which would lead to suffering and death, just indirectly.
Ie if you’re put into a trolley problem, you’re the type to just stand there without pulling the lever which would save several life at the cost of one, because “murdering is wrong and I’d bw actively killing the other person myself”. Meaning that you put your own ideas and the sense of personality you have above the lives of others. Not just better as ideas, but you’d actually stand there watching the trolley roll over people you could’ve saved, but chose not to, so that you can just blame others.
And you talk of empathy, rofl. Maybe start by trying to understand your own thoughts/views.
Oh and eating the resulting meat from the culling is fucking delicious AND moral.
What would you do with sheep amd cows btw? They require people. Sheep have to be shorn. If you don’t shear your sheep, that’s tantamount to animal abuse. So we end up getting wool, but you don’t think it’s moral to use that. Why?
So if you think we can’t keep sheep or cows anymore, and they can’t be released into the wild because they are domesticated species. So then stop letting them breed at all, meaning that in a generation, they’d be completely gone.
So you end up advocating for genocide of entire species with this black and white view you have.
You know all the produce you eat is protected from pests and other animals? Your avocado isn’t “cruelty-free” dude, and eating avocados when they’re not even grown on the same continent, have them flown to you? But that’s moral again, because you don’t have to personally think about death you’re indirectly causing.
So yeah
Well Mr. Knowitall, let me help you in you nuanced world view that you’re so well known for. Hunting isn’t the main source of meat consumption worldwide, cattle is. Together with humans, this adds up to about 95-97% of all terrestrial mammal biomass, depending on what research result you care to follow. Your brother is making life more miserable for the remaining percentage who have a tough time holding on as it is. Keeping the population in check is just an excuse that hunters use to justify their love for killing off animals. Often it takes a second or third shot for the final kill, letting the animal suffer in the mean time. Also, predation isn’t the main driver for a population size, the amount of available food is. Although natural predators do help in keeping the ecosystem healthy, which indirectly leads to more stable populations. People can’t do that really, we’re only suitable for extermination, as we’ve proven time and time again. You speak of thousands of years as if that means anything in nature, where ecosystems have existed for hundreds of thousands of years. Besides, human population density is only something of the last two centuries.
No need to remind me of my shortcomings, I’m well aware of them. But you do know that meat consumption requires more plants and associated animal harm than a vegan diet, right?
When we stop breeding farm animals now they will be gone in about 20 years time, or sooner when bloodthirsty types like yourself will have a go at them. Their place will then be taken by wild animals, in more abundant nature because way less area is required for our plant-based food production.
Anyway, eating meat is a choice, which does not benefit the animals being eaten. It is only for human pleasure. And for humans it’s not even necessary to eat meat, as we’re omnivores. You can still have tasty meals without meat, believe me.
But hey, I’m done with this discussion, you’ll probably never agree to any point I make. Take care, perhaps you have some vegetarians or vegans nearby that you might talk to, so you can start to live more sustainably, together with the rest of the 8 billion we number.
PS: calling me a moron does prove my point of you lacking empathy. Please do better than that.
there is no reason to believe this would happen
it’s primarily for nutrients.
livestock are mostly fed parts of plants that we dont want to eat. the same amount of plants would probably be harvested, but the by products would just go to waste.
you don’t know what anyone else needs. you’re not their doctor or dietician.
Cause: very simple logic about a very black and white worldview (veganism)
Effect: mister “you don’t understand cause and effect” runs away with his tail between his legs
It’s literally always the same. You have bravado and think youre better but in fact you’re just looking for an ingroup which allows you to feel superior to others (you’re not)