EU officials are, incidentally, exempt from chat monitoring – which is quite convenient for someone like von der Leyen. Their communication is explicitly NOT to be monitored. The mere fact that those who drafted this law don’t want it to apply to them tells you everything you need to know about it.
Dear mods, watch what you remove from these chats, our freedoms are getting fucked, people should be allowed to be indignant.
That being said i hope the legislators sit on cacti all day every day, those fucking assholes are exempt from this bullshit.
They will take my data out of my cold dead hands. It was a matter of time, sure, but I was actually holding on to hope for this one. I am pissed, dismayed even.
Session, signal, simplex are your friends. If those give up the ghost and bend the knee then we are going back to irc and aliases. Fucking shit!
people miss the most important problem with this. chat control is a fascist tool that can and will be used against us minorities. this is especially dangerous when more and more countries are starting to lean right.
hitler would have had a field day with this kind of tech.
Danes are fascist, they pushed it through.
danes are sucking thiels cock for their own wicked reasons.
as we’ve always said; never trust a dane!
It also makes what the Stasi in Socialist East Germany did to its citizens look harmless in comparison. It’s literally Big Brother, but you carry him around with you.
Now let’s hope Parliament will still vote against it.
Caling your MEP is more efficient.
And here I was thinking the EU was winning its fight against authoritarianism. Guess nowhere is safe, everyone’s gotta push back no matter where you are. Fucking exhausting that they can’t just leave us the fuck alone.
We are embracing authoritarianism everywhere. Democracies are dying.
Politicians are not ignorant of the risks; as the article mentions, they had several advisors, including scientists, who warned of the danger. If our leaders didn’t know it, they wouldn’t exclude themselves from the proposal.
Not even Signal saves
Matrix would be the best alternative
The one good thing of brexit: UK isn’t beholden to this.
The bad thing is that their own laws aren’t much better. And of course all the other brexit bad stuff
From the Online Safety Act Wikipedia page:
The act also requires platforms – including end-to-end encrypted message providers – to scan for child pornography and terrorism content, which experts say is not possible to implement without undermining users’ privacy.
Why? Why is the loss of such a significant amount of privacy necessary?
People will figure out that the war in Ukraine actually started before 2014.
It isn’t necessary.
It isn’t it’s just an excuse to put people you don’t like in some kind of hole where they rot to death.
OK I’m getting a flip phone
I thought making calls and sending SMS was one of the least secure things you could do regarding communication? That secure and encrypted communication with messaging apps was the only way.
Now we have nothing. 😐
At least if you just do phone calls the attack surface is reduced… They can scan your calls maybe, but not your entire chat history with all of your contacts and give it to an AI which could profile you based on that + you are not scanned on everything else you do on your phone / locked into proprietary ecosystems.
The ideal would just be using a Linux platform and using something like xmpp, but who are you gonna convince to use it? People use what they are used to use, if it’s not popular messaging apps is phone calls… And now it seems a more private alternative…
Just get an Pixel 9a from a local shop, install GrapheneOS on it and use it as your primary.
Can confirm, the 9s are the best phones. Love my Pro.
misleading headline, this isn’t a list of countries in which the law will (if it passes) be different (it won’t be, it’s an EU law, so will be the same in all EU countries), it’s a list of countries that currently support/oppose the law
(it won’t be, it’s an EU law, so will be the same in all EU countries)
This is not true btw. It’s not a mandatory law, and if you read the news about this the last 3 weeks, you would know that.
EU laws are not automatically mandatory. That’s not how it works at all.
The law will be the same in all EU countries, including whichever parts you think will be “not mandatory” (I did read those news articles and am fully aware that mandatory scanning is no longer on the table).
It isn’t misleading (that’d be a technically true headline, which this isn’t). This is a downright lie, or as some might say, “fake news”.
Countries which support the implementation of Chat Control:
Spain, Romania, Portugal, Malta Lithuania, Hungary, Ireland, France, Denmark, Croatia, Cyprus, and Bulgaria.
Countries that are undecided:
Belgium, Greece, Italy, Latvia, Slovakia, and Sweden.
Countries which oppose Chat Control:
Slovenia, the Netherlands, Poland, Luxembourg, Germany, Estonia, Finland, the Czech Republic, and Austria
Can someone help me understand the likely outcome in countries that implement chat control? Will those governments force Google and Apple to remove apps that do not comply (e.g. Signal) from their official app stores? Will those governments somehow detect users who find workarounds and go after them? I figure most people in those countries will shrug their shoulders and move on with their lives, but how will this impact citizens who do not wish to comply?
“This list is outdated, see here fightchatcontrol.eu”
Fuck, only 4 are against
Is there something we can do to effectively oppose that shit ?
Maybe start here? https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
For years the plan was to make this scanning mandatory. In early November 2025, however, the Danish government amended the text: scanning is now “voluntary” for individual EU states to decide upon. That small word change was enough for the 27 EU countries to agree on November 26.
If chat control would have been made mandatory, you can bet (and i’d be willing to bet a lot of money on it) that you’re going to have AfD in germany and FPÖ in austria (since they’re already pretty anti-EU) making a lot of noise about how evil the EU is for infringing on people’s privacy. (And they would be right about this, as much as i don’t like to agree with them.) This would give them more votes, than they already have.
Making it voluntary is a clever trick of the EU to not make yourself extremely unpopular among the population. Well done, i’d say.
AfD is already #1 party in Germany
If they work anything like the far right in the U.S., they’ll raise hell about it til they get elected then implement it themselves.
Orban’s Hungary is in favour, after all.
Exactly the play, not just in America, but all capitalist backed politicians. Left and right wing
That’s weird, our fascists in France are all against privacy, unless it’s theirs.
I’m missing a bit the fact that this is not a law yet. This is the position of the commission, which the parliament will then need to approve and has to get past the ECHR as well most likely.
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