Geopolitics doesn’t always neatly map onto ideology. NATO itself isn’t anything more than a defensive alliance. Countries like Estonia and Finland would be in constant fear of invasion from Russia if not for NATO, that’s why they still support the US even if they may not even agree with it 50% of the time.
Go ask a Libyan or a Yugoslav what they feel about NATO being exclusively a defensive alliance. Or an Iraqi or Afghani for that matter, even if those weren’t official NATO involvements.
Countries like Finland and Estonia would be better off trying to build friendly relations with Russia that give rise to peace in the continent and questioning why the US+Ukraine blew up the Nordstream leading to hundreds of thousands of impoverished citizens in their countries, if Russia wanted to invade why was it doing economic treaties and pushing for annexion to EU until the west started meddling in Georgia or Ukraine through soft power and colour revolutions? If I were an Estonian or a Finn I’d be more concerned with the rise of the far right in my own country and the austerity policy carried out over the past 20 years.
You’re going to have to provide some sources that provide publicly verified, conclusive evidence that goes beyond simple leads or speculation for your claim about the Nordstream.
Also Russia’s economic treaties do not prove that they weren’t intending to invade anyways.
“On August 21, 2025, the Italian police arrested a Ukrainian man on suspicion of being involved in the sabotage,[19][20][21] following European arrest warrants issued by German authorities[22] and on September 30 near Warsaw Polish police arrested another Ukrainian, who had evaded arrest since August 2024. As of September 2025 the German investigation reportedly had identified seven suspects including former members of a private diving school in Kyiv, one of whom has died.[23] In October 2025 the suspect arrested in Poland was released when a Polish court denied the German extradition request”
Economic treaties kinda do imply a good intention, don’t they? We see the opposite usually, with the USA doing economic sanctions to Iran and Venezuela and attacking them later.
Your cited Wikipedia shows that Ukrainians were involved in the sabotage not that the Ukrainian state was involved in the sabotage. Two very big distinctions here. You also haven’t show where the US was involved in this.
Economic treaties kinda do imply a good intention, don’t they?
Have you ever heard of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?
Additionally, Ukraine’s economy was heavily tied in with Russia’s before the 2014 conflict.
I think this shows a clear trend that runs counter to your claim
Geopolitics doesn’t always neatly map onto ideology. NATO itself isn’t anything more than a defensive alliance. Countries like Estonia and Finland would be in constant fear of invasion from Russia if not for NATO, that’s why they still support the US even if they may not even agree with it 50% of the time.
Go ask a Libyan or a Yugoslav what they feel about NATO being exclusively a defensive alliance. Or an Iraqi or Afghani for that matter, even if those weren’t official NATO involvements.
Countries like Finland and Estonia would be better off trying to build friendly relations with Russia that give rise to peace in the continent and questioning why the US+Ukraine blew up the Nordstream leading to hundreds of thousands of impoverished citizens in their countries, if Russia wanted to invade why was it doing economic treaties and pushing for annexion to EU until the west started meddling in Georgia or Ukraine through soft power and colour revolutions? If I were an Estonian or a Finn I’d be more concerned with the rise of the far right in my own country and the austerity policy carried out over the past 20 years.
You’re going to have to provide some sources that provide publicly verified, conclusive evidence that goes beyond simple leads or speculation for your claim about the Nordstream.
Also Russia’s economic treaties do not prove that they weren’t intending to invade anyways.
About the Nordstream, even Wikipedia echoes this…
“On August 21, 2025, the Italian police arrested a Ukrainian man on suspicion of being involved in the sabotage,[19][20][21] following European arrest warrants issued by German authorities[22] and on September 30 near Warsaw Polish police arrested another Ukrainian, who had evaded arrest since August 2024. As of September 2025 the German investigation reportedly had identified seven suspects including former members of a private diving school in Kyiv, one of whom has died.[23] In October 2025 the suspect arrested in Poland was released when a Polish court denied the German extradition request”
Economic treaties kinda do imply a good intention, don’t they? We see the opposite usually, with the USA doing economic sanctions to Iran and Venezuela and attacking them later.
Your cited Wikipedia shows that Ukrainians were involved in the sabotage not that the Ukrainian state was involved in the sabotage. Two very big distinctions here. You also haven’t show where the US was involved in this.
Have you ever heard of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?
Additionally, Ukraine’s economy was heavily tied in with Russia’s before the 2014 conflict.
I think this shows a clear trend that runs counter to your claim