Opera is a terribly shady company. They’re involved in a predatory loan scheme. And with how they marketed their in-browser proxy as an anonymity tool, I wouldn’t trust them worth a shit. ProtonVPN’s creators lied about the capabilities of their email service and are also extremely untrustworthy and shaky in a myriad of ways. All and all, buy Mullvad or IVPN if you truly need a VPN, or just use Tor.
This is the first thing ive heard bad about proton. You have a link to any of the shady stuff youre reffering to? They are all open source iirc, that alone makes them the best out there imo.
Most of this applies to ProtonMail, but it really turns me off of all of their products, as they’re the same people, after all.
The developers of ProtonMail, don’t even use ProtonMail, they use almost exclusively GMail or Outlook.
ProtonMail doesn’t let you register over their .onion. If you go to their .onion and then click register, it redirects you to their clearnet site.
Its next to impossible to make an account over Tor for ProtonMail, as they make you supply another email, your phone number (destroying any anonymity), or even forcing you to donate them money (also destroying anonymity).
ProtonMail can’t provide the zero-access or full un-tamperable e2ee that they claim. Its functionally impossible on the email protocol.
They’re partially owned and closely tied with the Swiss government.
ProtonMail was developed with NSA and CIA oversight.
They engage in illegal cybercrimes.
ProtonMail raised $550,000 to “stay independent” but then immediately after the funding campaign ended they sold to a U.S. capital firm.
If you don’t mind any of this, then use their services. If you do, I’d suggest you look elsewhere.
I also want to know but everything that Mullvad does is also libre. They are very supporting of the Hong Kong bullshit, which is meh but they’re not a company after all.
Opera is a terribly shady company. They’re involved in a predatory loan scheme. And with how they marketed their in-browser proxy as an anonymity tool, I wouldn’t trust them worth a shit. ProtonVPN’s creators lied about the capabilities of their email service and are also extremely untrustworthy and shaky in a myriad of ways. All and all, buy Mullvad or IVPN if you truly need a VPN, or just use Tor.
This is the first thing ive heard bad about proton. You have a link to any of the shady stuff youre reffering to? They are all open source iirc, that alone makes them the best out there imo.
Most of this applies to ProtonMail, but it really turns me off of all of their products, as they’re the same people, after all.
The developers of ProtonMail, don’t even use ProtonMail, they use almost exclusively GMail or Outlook.
ProtonMail doesn’t let you register over their .onion. If you go to their .onion and then click register, it redirects you to their clearnet site.
Its next to impossible to make an account over Tor for ProtonMail, as they make you supply another email, your phone number (destroying any anonymity), or even forcing you to donate them money (also destroying anonymity).
ProtonMail can’t provide the zero-access or full un-tamperable e2ee that they claim. Its functionally impossible on the email protocol.
They’re partially owned and closely tied with the Swiss government.
ProtonMail was developed with NSA and CIA oversight.
They engage in illegal cybercrimes.
ProtonMail raised $550,000 to “stay independent” but then immediately after the funding campaign ended they sold to a U.S. capital firm.
If you don’t mind any of this, then use their services. If you do, I’d suggest you look elsewhere.
Do you have sources for any of your claims?
I also want to know but everything that Mullvad does is also libre. They are very supporting of the Hong Kong bullshit, which is meh but they’re not a company after all.
As far I can check only client is FLOSS in ProtonVPN. The same applies for Mullvad and this is referenced in the F-Droid app itself.