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      Eh, so do Communists but they just eliminated them on industrial scales.

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          Both can be offensively violent but the types of people drawn to either vary widely. For example I cannot say I know any socialists who were individually racist (as opposed to racist by virtue of being American as structural racism runs deep).

          Horseshoe theory is bullshit

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          If I kill its because I’m defending myself, if you kill its because you are violent!

          Say both sides…

          Are you seriously trying to say that communist governments haven’t committed mass murder on an industrial scale just to fortify their power structures?

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          Which one is defensively violent? Hexbears said I should get nuked and they claim to exist on the left (they present as alt-righty if you ask me)

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            You are unfamiliar with the altright if you think hexbear is at all right. They are leftists and many are revolutionary leftists but no one there for long is altright.

            For fucks sake this al, comes about from the ChapoTrapHouse subreddit getting banned.

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              I see the world in a two dimensional way where people are placed into one of two camps based on a single characteristic;

              Have they called for my death.

              So I don’t give a shit what they (or anyone else) has to say about their political leanings. It’s all the same trash, and I lack the respect necessary to differentiate them.

              So yea I say they’re alt right. If that upsets you, too bad.

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                It just means you don’t know what the right is and are proud about that fact. It doesn’t upset anyone but why make obviously uninformed claims like that?

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              Well I don’t get threatened with nuclear annihilation everyday. I guess it was a weird one-off event (haha; I am being sarcastic).

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          defensively violent and authoritarian out of self-preservation

          LOL

          The irony here is that if you actually had two cows in the late 1920’s USSR you’d catch a bullet.

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          No it’s a “theory” that has not been demonstrated to hold up and isn’t granted a lot of respect in political science circles.

          While certain aspects can be shared, such as a greater appreciation for authoritarianism, the actual beliefs are so incredibly different and the people drawn to them are so different that the “theory” doesn’t work.

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            I’m calling horseshoe theory holocaust trivialization. Well, I’m linking to a Jewish holocaust expert doing that.

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              At what point does it discuss horseshoe theory? They seem to talk about the holocaust vs the soviets which isn’t really what horsehoe theory purports to be about (and again the horseshoe theory is complete bullshit)

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                It is about the equating of nazis and Soviets, aka what horseshoe theory purports to be true.

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                  That’s not what the Horseshoe theory proposes. It suggests that the tactics used by both sides are similar, which is often true, and that either ideology could appeal to the people that get involved with far right and far left groups which is the part that is completely unproven and is absolute bullshit.

                  The guy who joins ISIS because of how their views of Islam are not honored who thinks the degeneration of society is due to the movement away from Allah is not going to become a communist under different circumstances much like a Marxist is unlikely to adopt a pro-monarchist POV.

                  Again Horseshoe theory is bullshit but your source says nothing at all about it.