Updated: Israel denies involvement in deadly Gaza hospital blast, says explosion caused by Islamic Jihad

  • Grant_M@lemmy.ca
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    Jihads misfire, blow up a Gaza hospital, blame it on Israel and people believe it.

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      Wait, you don’t believe what islamic fundamentalist terrorist organization says right after killing 1000 Israeli civilians?
      If we can’t believe them, who can we believe?

      • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world
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        Biden said that he believes the US intelligence that points to it being an errant rocket coming from the Palestinian side of the fence.

        That said, at this point, is anyone going to believe what anyone says?

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            Call me crazy but I’m inclined to believe US intelligence over the health minister of Hamas. Yet I will wait for the UN report that will be conducted to know for certain.

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                Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

                Are you seriously trying to equate bush who pushed thru the Iraq war without approval

                Since you clearly know FUCK ALL about US history:

                The Constitution vests the power of declaring war in Congress; therefore no offensive expedition of importance can be undertaken until after they shall have deliberated upon the subject, and authorized such a measure.

                So said President George Washington in 1793. President George W. Bush thinks he knows better. He does promise to “consult” with Congress before launching a massive invasion of Iraq. And he does not rule out seeking a vote of approval. But as a matter of law, his administration claims, Bush is free to initiate a major war all by himself.

                https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2002/09/an-invasion-of-iraq-requires-the-approval-of-congress/378094/

                Now, go ahead, tell me again that Biden is the same breed of war monger. The man who lost a son in the line of duty

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          US and Israel have basically been in lockstep for decades (despite the whole supposed Obama/Netanyahu row), this isn’t really worth anything.

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            US and Israel have basically been in lockstep for decades (despite the whole supposed Obama/Netanyahu row), this isn’t really worth anything.

            Absolutely NOT true. The US pressured Israel into allowing aid to flow into gaza, turn on other necessities, etc. They have condemned the Hamas terrorist attack that brutally targeted civilians (akin to our 9/11) and thus the US ‘stood’ with Israel in that regard, understanding exactly what that feels like.

            Israel’s war cabinet on Wednesday approved the entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza from Egypt after pressure from the U.S. and other countries.

            https://www.axios.com/2023/10/18/gaza-humanitarian-aid-entry-israel-netanyahu-biden

            The story doesn’t end there:

            President Biden warned Israel in an interview aired on Sunday not to reoccupy Gaza, his first significant public effort to restrain America’s ally in the wake of the Hamas assault that killed more than 1,300 people, including at least 29 Americans.

            Mr. Biden has offered staunch support for Israel since the Oct. 7 attack and refused to criticize Israel for its retaliatory siege of Gaza, the coastal enclave controlled by Hamas, even as U.N. officials have warned of a humanitarian crisis there. But in the new interview, he cautioned against a full-scale occupation of Gaza.

            “I think it’d be a big mistake,” Mr. Biden told “60 Minutes” on CBS in a conversation taped on Thursday and aired on Sunday night. “Look, what happened in Gaza, in my view, is Hamas and the extreme elements of Hamas don’t represent all the Palestinian people. And I think that it would be a mistake for Israel to occupy Gaza again.” But “taking out the extremists” there, he added, “is a necessary requirement.”

            https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza.html

            The U.S. will send $100 million in aid for humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, President Joe Biden said on Wednesday. “This money will support more than 1 million displaced in conflict affected Palestinians, including emergency needs in Gaza,” Biden said Wednesday during a speech in Tel Aviv.

            https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/18/biden-humanitarian-aid-gaza-west-bank-00122212

            but go ahead, just claim us = Israel, you clearly don’t give a fuck about reality so why not?

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        Joined two days ago to exclusively advocate for Hamas terrorists. Looks suspicious.

        • blitzkrieg@lemm.ee
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          No advocation for Hamas from my side.

          I simply chose to join the Fediverse (Lemmy in particular as I really liked Reddit) to have freedom of speech.

          Over to you, Hamas doesn’t exist in the west bank, so why are people there getting killed?

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            This event happened in the Gaza Strip. And Hamas’ exists in the West Bank, they just don’t rule there.

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              Lol, you don’t think Hamas rules Gaza?

              Hamas (UK: /həˈmæs/, US: /həˈmɑːs/ ⓘ;[43] Arabic: حماس Ḥamās [ħaˈmaːs]),[44] officially the Islamic Resistance Movement (حركة المقاومة الإسلامية Ḥarakah al-Muqāwamah al-ʾIslāmiyyah), is a Sunni Islamist[45] political and military organization governing the Gaza Strip of the Palestinian territories.

              Anyways, Hamas didn’t launch the rockets that hit the hospital - Palestinian Islamic Jihad did.

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                You read that backwards. There is Hamas in the West Bank but the PLA is in charge there. There is also Hamas on the Gaza Strip and they are the defacto government there.

                The person above was complaining about deaths in the West Bank, but the article in question is about an event that happened in the Gaza Strip.

            • blitzkrieg@lemm.ee
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              I’m not promoting any hate, just because you consider it hate, does it mean it’s actually hate. Still, no answer for my question yet.

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                I’m not in the conversation. Just saying that this is not a public square and “free speech” (often synonymous to hate speech) might not be tolerated here.

                Ironically, the comment you replied to got deleted, so…

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          You believe it because the US said so? The same country that lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to invade them and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians?

          • mwguy@infosec.pub
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            Because they said so, and it was independently verifiable and they brought surveillance that confirmed it. And Gaza clearly lied about the size, location, and scope of the “bombing”. And there’s multiple videos of it.

          • Gargantu8@lemmy.world
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            Yeah, I actually do. I have friends who work for the government and I trust them completely. Crazy, right?

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              Not taking any sides here because I think it’s still unclear what actually happened, but:

              This is a weird point. It’s not like government workers unilaterally know when the people at the top are lying. If your friends are of high enough position to know the truth of the matter, it would be the priority of national security to not share the truth to you, should the truth be something other than what the government claims.

              I can imagine being in your shoes and trusting your friends; that’s always a nice spot to be in. I just don’t see how this claim bolsters your previous argument.

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                If you want to think it’s a weird point, go ahead. I know many people in our government who separately trust their leadership and the actions of them. I won’t go into specifics but it works for me. Personally, I believe you have to trust and rely on people to get through life successfully, and I choose to skeptically trust our government, particularly the non political parts such as the state department and federal research labs.

            • blitzkrieg@lemm.ee
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              That is indeed crazy.

              Your friends working for the government holds no values, because the government itself, lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to invade them and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraq civilians. What’s your response to that?

              • Gargantu8@lemmy.world
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                My response to that is that the millions of people who live in the USA largely live comfortable, peaceful lives with access to excellent resources like education, jobs, medical care (you can debate the costs/I support single payer, but it’s the best in the world otherwise), national and state parks, etc. I’m happy and I trust my friends in various parts of the government who vouch for their leadership.