Wow, tell me you’re a fucking pathetic “enlightened centrist” without telling me you’re a pathetic enlightened centrist. Seriously. If you think the left are closer to Nazis than the political party who literally runs Nazis on their ticket… You are beyond fucked. Fucking brainwashed and fucking stupid.
Next you’ll be telling me, “nuhuh, the Nazis were socialists!” No, the Nazis CALLED themselves socialist, but something tells me you’re too stupid to understand the basic fact that Nazis lie.
A nazi is an antisemite, but an antisemite is not necessarily a Nazi. Downpunxx never used the word “Nazi”, and the two are not the same. Plenty of non-nazis over the years have persecuted or tried to kill us. Hitler didn’t invent the idea.
They are an easy example to demonstrate how stupid OP is. He is using language that is LITERALLY defending Nazis. He is saying the political party that actively, literally runs Nazis on their ticket, is LESS antisemitic than leftists… A group that doesn’t even have a political party in the US.
Am I being a little hyperbolic when I call some Republicans Nazis? Yes, but if you think progressives are more antisemitic than people who literally own Nazi memorabilia, something is fundamentally wrong with your brain.
Nazis are the quintessential antisemite, so if you cannot agree that they are the bigger antisemite… that’s a STRONG indication of pure dumbassery.
You are so wound up in a rote shutting down of OP that you aren’t listening.
Nazi = antisemite
antisemite ≠ nazi
One can be antisemitic and not be a nazi. The pogroms that harried my ancestors were not practiced by nazis. The expulsions of Jews from various countries over the centuries were not practiced by nazis. The “no blacks, no dogs, no Jews” signs my grandfather saw were not put up by nazis.
Antisemitism is a thing we’ve been living with for a long, long time. I would appreciate it if you didn’t condescend to tell us how you know better about who does or can hate us.
You are right but also wrong at the same time. People might be able to be antisemitic without being Nazis, but if they are in this way afraid or in rejection of ‘the other’ they’ve certainly at least been taught this kind of thinking by a fascist that tries to exploit both them and ‘the other’ for their own gain. In this way the Israeli right wing Government as well as IDF and police are thoroughly fascist just as much and in exactly the same way as Hamas are. “no blacks, no dogs, no Jews” can not be put up by a person that hasn’t been taught to reject others in this way, this rejection is the fascist lie they have internalized, and it is the reason why we call them a fascist.
The splintering of this concept of rejection into, antisemitism racism homophobia Islamophobia patriarchy … isn’t useful when trying to reject the ideas of their suppression, it only muddies the waters. They are the same struggle against unjustified oppression, in parts of which we may be a benefactor, and in other parts we may be oppressed, this shouldn’t make their existence any more justifiable.
Sure, think of it this way though. Someone comes into your country, and says this half is mine, and kicks out the entire population living there. That builds resentment. No way around it.
Jews are the original inhabitants of the Land of Israel. A more correct analogy would be a bunch of Aztecs walking into Mexico City, being granted a small part of it by Mexico, and then Mexico forcibly evicting all non-Aztecs from that area.
Can’t speak for all, but at least for me (and I hope most), supporting humanitarian aid for civilians isn’t a support for terrorism. I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive to call for the release of innocent Israeli hostages and also advocate for the safety of innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza. The situation is terrible all around, and I don’t know how it can be solved, but I can at the very least support initiatives which reduce more casualties.
I can’t begin to imagine how hard the past month has been for you, and truly despise any anti semitism and hate speech which has been more prominent globally. Just want to let you know that there’s at least someone who cares about Jews and also is caring about palestinians.
Damn, I wonder if Israel cared about “basic human decency” when they bombed a hospital in Gaza.
This isn’t a fight about Judaism vs Islam, Israel is actively committing ethnic genocide against Palestinians. That’s why most leftists support Palestine. If you can’t see that, maybe you’re not as left leaning as you think.
Damn, I wonder if Israel cared about “basic human decency” when they bombed a hospital in Gaza.
We have video showing the rocket that hit the “hospital” came from inside Gaza… And further that rocket didn’t hit the hospital, but the car park next to the hospital.
Even if that specific hit was not IDF (AJ, whose video you’re referring to, have analyzed the footage and confirmed that the official IDF line is not accurate), Israel bombed a children’s hospital and the center of the largest refugee camp in the last few days.
Which hospital is that? I lots of of evidence and articles about hospitals being overrun… Not many about a children’s hospital being bombed.
Even if that specific hit was not IDF
And further, if I’m correct… why am I being downvoted? If we’ve proven one is not what Hamas claimed it to be… then we should be skeptical of further instances. So I’d like more information to look into it myself if at all possible.
It’s an uncomfortable time, certainly. The left seems to think we’re monsters, and the right has a weird fetishisation thing going on. Neither one feels good, and it ends up feeling very isolating.
The left doesn’t think Jewish people are monsters. They think people who support the Israeli government are monsters.
Because yeah, supporting genocide is monstrous. And one would have thought that Jewish people should be the most sensitive to this issue. And certainly, there are a lot of Jewish people who do recognise how evil the Israeli government is. At least one of the people tragically killed on 7 October was a Jewish supporter of Palestine, and their family came out in the aftermath saying they hoped the Israeli government didn’t use it as an excuse to do…precisely what they have ended up doing. At least some of the many pro-Palestine protests around the world have been organised in part by organisations like Loud Jew Collective and Jews Against Genocide.
Don’t fall for the propaganda that says if you’re Jewish, you must support Israel. Heck, even if you are Israeli or have family in Israel, you don’t need to be supportive of what the government is doing. One of the few good things that can be said about Israel is that it is a fairly free liberal democracy—as long as you’re not Palestinian, at least—and that comes with the freedom to be critical of the government. A freedom you can and should exercise when your government is committing genocide.
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the left are the real antisemites?
Wow, tell me you’re a fucking pathetic “enlightened centrist” without telling me you’re a pathetic enlightened centrist. Seriously. If you think the left are closer to Nazis than the political party who literally runs Nazis on their ticket… You are beyond fucked. Fucking brainwashed and fucking stupid.
Next you’ll be telling me, “nuhuh, the Nazis were socialists!” No, the Nazis CALLED themselves socialist, but something tells me you’re too stupid to understand the basic fact that Nazis lie.
A nazi is an antisemite, but an antisemite is not necessarily a Nazi. Downpunxx never used the word “Nazi”, and the two are not the same. Plenty of non-nazis over the years have persecuted or tried to kill us. Hitler didn’t invent the idea.
They are an easy example to demonstrate how stupid OP is. He is using language that is LITERALLY defending Nazis. He is saying the political party that actively, literally runs Nazis on their ticket, is LESS antisemitic than leftists… A group that doesn’t even have a political party in the US.
Am I being a little hyperbolic when I call some Republicans Nazis? Yes, but if you think progressives are more antisemitic than people who literally own Nazi memorabilia, something is fundamentally wrong with your brain.
Nazis are the quintessential antisemite, so if you cannot agree that they are the bigger antisemite… that’s a STRONG indication of pure dumbassery.
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You are so wound up in a rote shutting down of OP that you aren’t listening.
One can be antisemitic and not be a nazi. The pogroms that harried my ancestors were not practiced by nazis. The expulsions of Jews from various countries over the centuries were not practiced by nazis. The “no blacks, no dogs, no Jews” signs my grandfather saw were not put up by nazis.
Antisemitism is a thing we’ve been living with for a long, long time. I would appreciate it if you didn’t condescend to tell us how you know better about who does or can hate us.
You are right but also wrong at the same time. People might be able to be antisemitic without being Nazis, but if they are in this way afraid or in rejection of ‘the other’ they’ve certainly at least been taught this kind of thinking by a fascist that tries to exploit both them and ‘the other’ for their own gain. In this way the Israeli right wing Government as well as IDF and police are thoroughly fascist just as much and in exactly the same way as Hamas are. “no blacks, no dogs, no Jews” can not be put up by a person that hasn’t been taught to reject others in this way, this rejection is the fascist lie they have internalized, and it is the reason why we call them a fascist.
The splintering of this concept of rejection into, antisemitism racism homophobia Islamophobia patriarchy … isn’t useful when trying to reject the ideas of their suppression, it only muddies the waters. They are the same struggle against unjustified oppression, in parts of which we may be a benefactor, and in other parts we may be oppressed, this shouldn’t make their existence any more justifiable.
Being against the actions of the Israeli government doesn’t make one an antisemite.
Being against the ongoing genocide of Palestinians doesn’t make one pro terrorism.
If the US response to this conflict is making you into a republican, you are not paying attention.
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Calling for the elimination of the state of Israel is not antisemitic. It’s a colonial enclave kept in existence by ongoing violence funded by the US.
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Sure, think of it this way though. Someone comes into your country, and says this half is mine, and kicks out the entire population living there. That builds resentment. No way around it.
Israel didn’t kick the Arabs out, Britain did.
Jews are the original inhabitants of the Land of Israel. A more correct analogy would be a bunch of Aztecs walking into Mexico City, being granted a small part of it by Mexico, and then Mexico forcibly evicting all non-Aztecs from that area.
More like the Aztecs forcibly removing all non-aztecs from all of Mexico, except for a few second class citizens.
Can’t speak for all, but at least for me (and I hope most), supporting humanitarian aid for civilians isn’t a support for terrorism. I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive to call for the release of innocent Israeli hostages and also advocate for the safety of innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza. The situation is terrible all around, and I don’t know how it can be solved, but I can at the very least support initiatives which reduce more casualties.
I can’t begin to imagine how hard the past month has been for you, and truly despise any anti semitism and hate speech which has been more prominent globally. Just want to let you know that there’s at least someone who cares about Jews and also is caring about palestinians.
Damn, I wonder if Israel cared about “basic human decency” when they bombed a hospital in Gaza.
This isn’t a fight about Judaism vs Islam, Israel is actively committing ethnic genocide against Palestinians. That’s why most leftists support Palestine. If you can’t see that, maybe you’re not as left leaning as you think.
Uhhh…
We have video showing the rocket that hit the “hospital” came from inside Gaza… And further that rocket didn’t hit the hospital, but the car park next to the hospital.
Even if that specific hit was not IDF (AJ, whose video you’re referring to, have analyzed the footage and confirmed that the official IDF line is not accurate), Israel bombed a children’s hospital and the center of the largest refugee camp in the last few days.
Which hospital is that? I lots of of evidence and articles about hospitals being overrun… Not many about a children’s hospital being bombed.
And further, if I’m correct… why am I being downvoted? If we’ve proven one is not what Hamas claimed it to be… then we should be skeptical of further instances. So I’d like more information to look into it myself if at all possible.
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Just keep reporting this one. They keep spamming every news post with pro-Isreal and anti-Palestinian diatribes.
No one believes this flaming shitstreak of a story
It’s an uncomfortable time, certainly. The left seems to think we’re monsters, and the right has a weird fetishisation thing going on. Neither one feels good, and it ends up feeling very isolating.
The left doesn’t think Jewish people are monsters. They think people who support the Israeli government are monsters.
Because yeah, supporting genocide is monstrous. And one would have thought that Jewish people should be the most sensitive to this issue. And certainly, there are a lot of Jewish people who do recognise how evil the Israeli government is. At least one of the people tragically killed on 7 October was a Jewish supporter of Palestine, and their family came out in the aftermath saying they hoped the Israeli government didn’t use it as an excuse to do…precisely what they have ended up doing. At least some of the many pro-Palestine protests around the world have been organised in part by organisations like Loud Jew Collective and Jews Against Genocide.
Don’t fall for the propaganda that says if you’re Jewish, you must support Israel. Heck, even if you are Israeli or have family in Israel, you don’t need to be supportive of what the government is doing. One of the few good things that can be said about Israel is that it is a fairly free liberal democracy—as long as you’re not Palestinian, at least—and that comes with the freedom to be critical of the government. A freedom you can and should exercise when your government is committing genocide.