• Nutteman@lemmy.world
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    It’s not. Hamas being there doesn’t magically make this okay, you fucking homonculus

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      Looks like we found the cheat code in war – just make everything hospitals or medical related and no one can touch them!

      If Hamas gives a single fuck about these innocent people, abandon their outpost below the hospital.

      • Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world
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        Hamas doesn’t care… They are terrorists. It is incumbent upon the “good guys” to be better than the terrorists. We really don’t want to go back to the time when war was a race to the bottom of the atrocity ladder.

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          Yup. Hamas is a shit organization who only the Palestinian people to further their wealth and trash ideology. Gaza hasnt had an election since Hamas barely came to power. Their leaders live a life of luxury while their people suffer. That said, netanyahu has been a fucking asshole himself – he caused this attack as much as Hamas.

          However, this is an ongoing war that was started by two assholes where the only suffering happens to innocent people. Civilians die in war, while they are not primary targets (except by terrorists), they will be caught in the crossfire. If a major leadership cell is at a hospital – the hospital is a target and the leadership will be taken out, even in the laws of war – you CAN target hospitals. If a hospital is “untouchable” then the enemy will use it. War is horrible, but when you are in it – you fight.

          Its best to focus on the failed policies of the USA, Isreal and the authoritarian, terrorist Hamas government that led to this mess in the first place and find some path for peace to ultimately stop all this bloodshed.

          How this can be done? No idea, but whatever has been done isnt working.

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        Are you suggesting it is okay to kill civilians being used as human shields?

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          Are you suggesting that human shields have more value than the people who is being mortally attacked from behind the shields?

          • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world
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            Value is for spreadsheets.

            Humans have worth. And all humans have equal worth. All things actually.

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              I don’t agree with that nice sounding platitude. Terrorists and pedophiles lives don’t have the same worth as a nobel price winner to society.

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                That’s a moral judgment. Worth has nothing to do with it.

                All things, by virtue of their existence, have equal worth.

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                Wonderful example, considering anybody can be nominated and win a Nobel peace prize, including people guilty of ethnic cleansing.

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                  somehow I’m not surprised that you can’t even think about science and how it contributes to civilization. you are being intellectually dishonest by claiming that we are all equal and then you pick the worst possible example from the group instead of picking the best representatives of nobel prize winners before comparing them with terrorists.

                  but sure I’ll take anyone from the list of nobel prize winners (which in my opinion are usually political) over someone that puts babies in ovens and burns them alive. it’s not really that complicated as you are trying to make it seem, even when you pick a strawman interpretation of my comment.

                  EDIT: In a way I’m not surprised that the very people who defend hamas think that rapists and terrorists have the same worth as a nobel prize winner.

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                    No one is defending Hamas. People are defending all the innocent civilians who are being attacked and killed.

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                All things being equal, the IDF are bigger and more successful terrorists than Hamas and their response to the October 7 attack was a disproportionate response, despite the IDF also conducting operations in the west bank at the same exact time.

                Justice for Palestine

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            I would suggest they are certainly more valuable than the incompetent marksmen who would rather make excuses than aim their fucking guns

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        Genocide apologist try not to justify bombing hospitals challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

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        Running a military operation out of a hospital makes it a valid target.

        Based on who though

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        Just like bank robbers do, and you wouldn’t be ok with the police entering with flamethrowers

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        So if a bank robber took a cashier as a hostage, you’d suggest to just shoot the hostage, to get to the bank robber?

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          Comparing actions being taken in a war being fought over an area larger than that of Delaware to that of a bank robbery is too reductionist to give any sort of meaningful response to.

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              War fucking sucks, and sometimes the only way to save 10,000 lives is to end 100. Every country has limited resources to deal with hostage situations in active warzones.

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                The thing though is, that this is not the case with IDF. They have plenty resources, enough to be selling to the rest of the world actually, and they are not preventing an impending attack. It seems like their motives are somewhere else