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Honest question - Would self hosting a VPN (for the purpose of bypassing your ISP) even do anything? The end point would still need an ISP (that youâve signed up for) and would be just as exposed as you are from your original connection, right?
The privacy you get from a VPN service is mainly from mixing your traffic with many other users and not keeping logs. No one knows for sure who visited which site.
If you self host a VPN, that protects you from your own ISP, and the sites you visit will not get your real IP, but your server host still knows whatâs going on.
This, assuming you self-host the other-host way, that is, hiring a vps and alike. Donât centralize the internet to commercial data-centers yet, please
I donât think this argument is valid in a world where a global observer can already distinguish Tor traffic using timing and volume analysis.
Today, the best defense a VPN has to offer, privacy-wise, is protection against observers close to the victim, on hostile local network. Self-hosted VPNs can do that as well as any paying VPN service. The only reason Iâm using a paying service myself is to circumvent geo restrictions. Thatâs basically the only valid use-case.
vpn or searx [and sometimes]⌠Tor, are all not 100% perfect but they make identification more difficult and less certain.
Thanks!
I have the same question
It depends on what kind of threat you want to protect yourself against. VPN technology was never meant to do what most every day people are using it for these days.
A self hosted VPN will encrypt your network traffic between your device (laptop, smartphone, you name it) and your VPN server. So that cute hacker chick in the internet cafĂŠ canât see what websites youâre browsing. But from your VPN server to the final destination, youâll have the rely on TLS (as in, HTTPS for example) which is secure but then the question is, what do you need the VPN for in the first place?
An argument can be made that websites have a harder time following your smartphone around the real world by tracking the changes of your IP address. Because the VPN server has a fixed IP address and websites will only see this one IP address when you use your VPN instead of seeing âoh, now theyâre using their home routerâs IP address after having used their mobile internet providerâs IP address, so they must be home nowâ. But then again, using this fixed IP address as the only user, websites can easily identify that itâs you because nobody else uses your VPN serverâs IP address.
A commercial VPN service lets many different people use the commercial VPN serverâs IP address so thereâs much noise and itâs hard for websites to make conclusions just based on the IP address.
But thereâs a catch: beyond masking your IP address no VPN service (self hosted or not) can add additional protection. There are so many more things besides your IP address that websites use to track your every move across websites and even across different devices you use. A VPN cannot protect you from cookies, fingerprinting techniques, malicious downloads, hackers, âŚ
So what can you take away from all this? While a VPN can be one part of your online security strategy, it alone isnât enough for privacy or security online. Iâd recommend you do your own research on the topic and get a feeling for the evil things that websites and other actors can and will do to you, what data they collect and what they can learn from it. Armed with that knowledge you can evaluate what you see as the greatest risk in your situation/circumstances and protect yourself effectively using the measures you really need. Maybe youâll come to the conclusion that a VPN will help you achieve your goals, most likely you will need additional measures on top of or independent from a VPN.
one solution is to double down on Tor.
more usage means that every user needs to conserve bandwidth and also needs to run a relay. this assumes we might also be talking about ultra-light filesharing.
we could also see growth in migration to privacy-conscious internet overlay networks.
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