Israel’s population is currently about 9.7 million, which doesn’t count the ~5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. So about 15x the population as in 1931.
In Israel, there’s currently around 7 million Jews and 2 million Arabs. About 80% of Arab- Israelis are Sunni Muslim, 9% are Christian and 9% are Druze.
So, uh, it looks like the Muslim population of the land that is current Israel has more than doubled since 1947?
I mean, to make that argument about the holocaust you’d need to lie about the numbers.
There were 17 million Jews worldwide in 1939, but only 11 million in 1945. In Europe, the population went from 9 million Jews just before the holocaust to only 3 million Jews continent-wide after it - even counting those in allied and neutral countries.
Poland, before the holocaust, had over three million Jews; 90% of them were murdered by the Nazis. Those people didn’t just evaporate.
Meanwhile - did I lie about the numbers? Keep in mind, 2 million is the current number of Israeli citizens of Palestinian heritage.
They’re Holocaust deniers. No one said they were smart.
The point is, even if they were right with the numbers, it wouldn’t matter because the logic of the argument is wrong. Both ethically, and factually.
High birthrates are the natural human reaction to trauma such as war and generational thinning. Hint: remember, the population of Palestine under 18 was 52%
Just because you did a shitty job, or weren’t strong willed enough to follow through to completion, or did it slowly, doesn’t mean you didn’t try.
P.s. that word thinning? I didn’t pock that randomly. That’s what Israels political leaders call what they do.
‘Thinning the population’, and ‘mowing the grass’.
There’s almost two million Palestinian citizens of Israel. In 1952, Israel gave citizenship to the ~160k Palestinians living in Israeli territory who hadn’t fled during the 1948 war; they lived under martial law until 1966.
No one is displacing Palestinians in Israel; Israeli settlers are displacing Palestinians in Palestine.
The displacement of Palestinians in and after the Nakba. The 160k Palestinians living in Israel in 1949 weren’t the ones who hadn’t fled, they were the ones who were allowed to stay. Most others ere either physically expelled from their homes or left fleeing IDF massacres. Look up Benny Morris’s 4-stage analysis.
Palestinian population increased by some 500% since the founding of Israel in 1948. The goal of the current Israeli operation is the destruction of the actually genocidal Hamas, not of Palestinians.
That would be a map of the whole of Israel. Palestinian Arabs who want to live in peace in Israel are doing exactly that, and have positions across all ranks of Israeli society, including an Arab judge that sent a corrupt Israeli politician to jail.
Might you be referring to that debunked collection of four maps, which use the same two colours to show different things in the hope that people will just jump to incorrect conclusions without doing too much research?
Israel is the most amazingly incompetent genociders on the planet. The genocided Palestinian population is shrinking at a large negative percentage every year, going from a few hundred K to several million. Even in the current campaign in Gaza they’ve only achieved a mortality rate of about four bombs per person. If you’re doing a genocide, what you really need to do is drop a single bomb on a hospital and kill 500 people in one go (or was that a Hamas misfire that landed in a car park and lightly singed a couple of dozen cars?)
Certainly Israel could have been more optimal in its handling of the Palestinian psuedo-states since 1967. And there are plenty of instances of actual evil activity by Israel and her citizens (see Settler violence in the West Bank as a perfect example of that). However the idea that Israel is committing a genocide is just hyperbole and it cheapens and discredits those who make that claim.
They’re literally targeting all infrastructure that makes life possible in the strip. Not for Hamas, but for Palestinians.
They’re PUBLICLY talking about moving all Palestinians from the Gaza strip in the Sinai desert, or forcing other countries to take them in. That is LITERALLY the definition of ethnic cleansing. In those situations, especially the desert one, children die first. That’s the fucking point.
You’re being a smug asshole defending ethnic cleansing while literally pulling nothing but shit out of your ass.
They’ve been since at least 1948.
The world’s least effective 70 year genocide! Those bastards. /s
Uh… Look at the Palestinian population living in Israeli controlled territory then vs now.
The 1931 census, carried out by the British, found a total population of a bit over a million people. Looking at other estimates doesn’t have it increasing that much between 1931 and 1947.
Israel’s population is currently about 9.7 million, which doesn’t count the ~5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. So about 15x the population as in 1931.
In Israel, there’s currently around 7 million Jews and 2 million Arabs. About 80% of Arab- Israelis are Sunni Muslim, 9% are Christian and 9% are Druze.
So, uh, it looks like the Muslim population of the land that is current Israel has more than doubled since 1947?
There were other groups that made the argument that that wasn’t genocide because the population of the target group increased.
You really want to make the same exact arguments holocaust deniers make?
I mean, to make that argument about the holocaust you’d need to lie about the numbers.
There were 17 million Jews worldwide in 1939, but only 11 million in 1945. In Europe, the population went from 9 million Jews just before the holocaust to only 3 million Jews continent-wide after it - even counting those in allied and neutral countries.
Poland, before the holocaust, had over three million Jews; 90% of them were murdered by the Nazis. Those people didn’t just evaporate.
Meanwhile - did I lie about the numbers? Keep in mind, 2 million is the current number of Israeli citizens of Palestinian heritage.
They’re Holocaust deniers. No one said they were smart.
The point is, even if they were right with the numbers, it wouldn’t matter because the logic of the argument is wrong. Both ethically, and factually.
High birthrates are the natural human reaction to trauma such as war and generational thinning. Hint: remember, the population of Palestine under 18 was 52%
Just because you did a shitty job, or weren’t strong willed enough to follow through to completion, or did it slowly, doesn’t mean you didn’t try.
P.s. that word thinning? I didn’t pock that randomly. That’s what Israels political leaders call what they do.
‘Thinning the population’, and ‘mowing the grass’.
I said look at the map, not the number, for a reason. These people (generally) aren’t getting murdered. They’re getting displaced.
What exactly is the map going to tell you?
There’s almost two million Palestinian citizens of Israel. In 1952, Israel gave citizenship to the ~160k Palestinians living in Israeli territory who hadn’t fled during the 1948 war; they lived under martial law until 1966.
No one is displacing Palestinians in Israel; Israeli settlers are displacing Palestinians in Palestine.
The displacement of Palestinians in and after the Nakba. The 160k Palestinians living in Israel in 1949 weren’t the ones who hadn’t fled, they were the ones who were allowed to stay. Most others ere either physically expelled from their homes or left fleeing IDF massacres. Look up Benny Morris’s 4-stage analysis.
You definitely didn’t say that.
Yeah you’re actually right; I said it in my next reply down the chain, my bad.
Palestinian population increased by some 500% since the founding of Israel in 1948. The goal of the current Israeli operation is the destruction of the actually genocidal Hamas, not of Palestinians.
Look at the map of where Palestinians are living in 1948 (or hell, even 1966) vs now. Then you’ll see why it’s called a genocide.
That would be a map of the whole of Israel. Palestinian Arabs who want to live in peace in Israel are doing exactly that, and have positions across all ranks of Israeli society, including an Arab judge that sent a corrupt Israeli politician to jail.
Might you be referring to that debunked collection of four maps, which use the same two colours to show different things in the hope that people will just jump to incorrect conclusions without doing too much research?
Israel is the most amazingly incompetent genociders on the planet. The genocided Palestinian population is shrinking at a large negative percentage every year, going from a few hundred K to several million. Even in the current campaign in Gaza they’ve only achieved a mortality rate of about four bombs per person. If you’re doing a genocide, what you really need to do is drop a single bomb on a hospital and kill 500 people in one go (or was that a Hamas misfire that landed in a car park and lightly singed a couple of dozen cars?)
Have you seen the West Bank?
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Then Israel is failing miserably because they’re intentionally killing a whole lot of innocent Palestinians.
Yeah, just killed tens upon tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians since 1948. No big deal.
Certainly Israel could have been more optimal in its handling of the Palestinian psuedo-states since 1967. And there are plenty of instances of actual evil activity by Israel and her citizens (see Settler violence in the West Bank as a perfect example of that). However the idea that Israel is committing a genocide is just hyperbole and it cheapens and discredits those who make that claim.
They’re literally targeting all infrastructure that makes life possible in the strip. Not for Hamas, but for Palestinians.
They’re PUBLICLY talking about moving all Palestinians from the Gaza strip in the Sinai desert, or forcing other countries to take them in. That is LITERALLY the definition of ethnic cleansing. In those situations, especially the desert one, children die first. That’s the fucking point.
You’re being a smug asshole defending ethnic cleansing while literally pulling nothing but shit out of your ass.
https://kbin.social/m/worldnews@lemmy.ml/t/588452/Israeli-Government-Mulls-Forcible-Permanent-Transfer-of-2-2-Million-Gaza
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-773713