• jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
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    1 year ago

    Fascism, by definition, is right wing ideology.

    Biden is centrist, not right wing.

    By definition he CAN’T be fascist, any more than Trump can be socialist.

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      1 year ago

      Wtf, Biden is right wing as fuck.

      Also, political alignment isn’t an inherent genetic trait you lunatic. If you do fascists things, you’re a fascist. You can’t just say “NO! I’m genetically leftwing, so I can do as much fascism as I like and it doesn’t’ count!”

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        A right wing fascist candidate would not have pushed for health care, infrastructure, unemployment, stimulus packages, or education refunds, all of which Biden did.

        Again, NOT right wing. Not even CLOSE to right wing, and that’s the “you must be this tall to ride this ride” for fascism.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

        “Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right (no), authoritarian (no), ultranationalist (no) political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader (no), centralized autocracy (no), militarism (no), forcible suppression of opposition (no), belief in a natural social hierarchy (no), subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race (no), and strong regimentation of society and the economy (no).[2][3]”

        Point for point for point, Biden is not a fascist.

        https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism

        “they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism (no), contempt for electoral democracy (no) and political and cultural liberalism (I WISH!), a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites (no), and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation. (no)”

        https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

        fas·​cism ˈfa""-ˌshi-zəm   1

        "often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual (no) and that stands for a centralized autocratic government (no) headed by a dictatorial leader, (no) severe economic and social regimentation (no), and forcible suppression of opposition (no)

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        : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control (no)"

        Of the two 2024 candidates, only Trump meets the definition, NOT Biden.

        If Biden WERE actually a fascist, Hunter wouldn’t be staring down a prison term and Biden wouldn’t be looking at impeachment hearings. A fascist would have shut that shit down already.

        The problem with the internet is too many kids going “Well I don’t like it so it’s fascism!” that’s not how ANY of this works.

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          1 year ago

          A right wing fascist candidate would not have pushed for health care, infrastructure, unemployment, stimulus packages, or education refunds, all of which Biden did.

          The literal Nazis literally pushed for all of those things.

          Again, NOT right wing. Not even CLOSE to right wing, and that’s the “you must be this tall to ride this ride” for fascism.

          What exactly is your definition of right wing? How are you defining the center of your scale?

          Point for point for point, Biden is not a fascist.

          But he is far right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist.

          Of the two 2024 candidates, only Trump meets the definition, NOT Biden.

          They both do. But even if he didn’t, it wouldn’t be ‘impossible by definition’ to be a fascist.

          Hunter wouldn’t be staring down a prison term

          He isn’t.

          Biden wouldn’t be looking at impeachment hearings

          Nixon and Trump were both looking at impeachment hearings, and they were fascists.

          A fascist would have shut that shit down already

          Trump hasn’t.

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            1 year ago

            “But he is far right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist.”

            You don’t know what ANY of those words actually mean.

            https://www.gale.com/primary-sources/political-extremism-and-radicalism/collections/history-of-right-wing-extremism

            "It wasn’t until the 1950s and 1960s that the Far Right again began to rise, becoming a more dominant force with the formation of anti-democratic groups (not Biden) and political parties in the late 1960s and 1970s, including France’s Front National, Austria’s Freedom Party, and the UK’s National Front, which joined most of the post-war extreme right groups in the UK under one neo-fascist umbrella.

            Right-wing extremism has continued its presence in the new conspiracism of a post-truth, pro-Trump American culture—predominantly taking the form of white supremacy groups (not Biden), such as the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) (Not Biden), who have had long histories in the United States. The KKK in particular, though first established as a secret society at the end of slavery, had a significant resurgence in the 1920s, staying close to the mainstream until the 1960s when a combination of the civil rights movement and wider political developments forced them into decline, with their remaining followers becoming even more extremist. Other uniquely American versions of Far Right extremism include the Christian Identity movement (not Biden) and white supremacist prison gangs such as Aryan Brotherhood. (not Biden)

            The most recent iteration of right-wing extremism, the alt-right, has come about in the past few years with the growth of the internet and social media and is associated with right-wing terrorism. The alt-right continues the fixation on conspiracy, race, and white supremacy created by the extreme right-wing groups that came before it (not Biden), but differs in its lack of a physical place—with its followers communicating almost entirely online—and a new focus on ultra-masculinity (not Biden).

            From conspiracy theories to white supremacy, far-right extremism has had a long, sometimes violent presence (not Biden) in Europe and America. The primary sources available in Gale’s Political Extremism and Radicalism series are essential resources for researchers looking to explore the nature of far-right groups and political parties—from major figures and events to examining the ideologies of these groups—using the propaganda they created to express new conspiracism (not Biden) and promote violence. (not Biden)"

            Authoritarian -

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism

            “Authoritarianism is a political system characterized by a controlling government and the rejection of democracy, human rights, and political plurality. It involves the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in the rule of law, separation of powers, and democratic voting.[1][2]”

            NONE of which applies to Biden.

            Ultra Nationalist -

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultranationalism

            “ultranationalism is essentially founded on xenophobia in a way that finds supposed legitimacy “through deeply mythicized narratives of past cultural or political periods of historical greatness or of old scores to settle against alleged enemies”. It can also draw on “vulgarized forms” of different aspects of the natural sciences such as anthropology and genetics, eugenics specifically playing a role, in order “to rationalize ideas of national superiority and destiny, of degeneracy and subhumanness” in Griffin’s opinion. Ultranationalists view the modern nation-state as, according to Griffin, a living organism directly akin to a physical person such that it can decay, grow, die, and additionally experience rebirth. He has highlighted Nazi Germany as a regime which was founded on ultranationalism.[3]”

            Again, not Biden.

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              1 year ago

              You don’t know what ANY of those words actually mean

              Speak for yourself, mate.

              [non-exhaustive list of right wing things]

              Yes, those are all right wing. So is Biden

              NONE of which applies to Biden.

              Literally all of it does

              Again, not Biden.

              Eh? Definitely matches Biden.

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                1 year ago

                Super simple: How is Biden anti Democratic? He’s not. Right wing authoritarians are.

                How is Biden racist? He’s not, right wing ultranationilists are.

                How is Biden a dictatorial leader? He’s not, again, if he were, we wouldn’t be seeing all the Hunter Biden/Impeachment bullshit.

                Again, you have no concept what you’re talking about. You should stop now.

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                  Super simple: How is Biden anti Democratic? He’s not. Right wing authoritarians are.

                  He actively support authoritarian regimes overseas, and helps squash democratic reform in the USA.

                  He’s not, right wing ultranationilists are.

                  He is both of those things.

                  How is Biden a dictatorial leader

                  He’s the president of the USA man.

                  we wouldn’t be seeing all the Hunter Biden/Impeachment bullshit.

                  You mean like we didn’t see all that Trump impeachment bullshit?

                  Again, you have no concept what you’re talking about. You should stop now.

                  Make me, fascist.