The prime minister said he won’t allow the Palestinian Authority to take over Gaza, his sharpest comments yet against the White House plan for after the war.
Is there any evidence his replacement would be any different. I recently looked at the frontrunner party and I’m not seeing much hope for a drastic change. Perhaps sans the religious zealots.
Benny Gantz is a moderate on Palestine. He supports strengthening the PA and a two-state solution. Although he does refer to it as a “two-entity” solution. I’m honestly not sure there’s a meaningful distinction between a “sovereign entity” and a state. At the very least, he seems much more likely to be a good faith negotiator. Almost anyone would be better than Netanyahu.
If it’s acting like reservations, Palestinians won’t have the right to prosecute Israelis who commit crime on Palestinian land for 100+ years, allowing rampant violence against the colonized people :/
Although he does refer to it as a “two-entity” solution.
So not a two state solution then. A two state solution means Palestine gets all the rights that a sovereign country has under international law, which means Isreal can’t just interfere with it at will. A two “entity” solution just means Isreal will continue to treat Palistine like they own it, but don’t have to grant the people living there citizenship.
That’s certainly the least charitable reading of that. He seems to always the center the importance of Palestinian sovereignty though, and I don’t see why he’d do that if that’s what he meant. Not owning your territory, being powerless to prevent interference, and not having ultimate say over who your citizens are is the opposite of sovereignty. In the political climate he operates in, there’s no cost to opposing a two-anything solution. So, why bother saying anything at all?
Cute dodge. I’d still like to know why he’d waste so much time going on about Palestinian sovereignty. Just for shits and grins? What’s the difference between an area over which a nation has total sovereignty and a nation-state? Gantz would recognize a Palestinian state, though he’d still probably call it an entity. This is mostly owing to internal Israeli politics, though he also insists on calling it an Israeli entity too, saying that new language is needed to solve the problem. I think the language is weird, but I couldn’t give a shit as long as he’s describing a state.
From the linked article for the people who don’t click through: "In surveys carried out by his party, most Israelis are in favour of a two-state solution when it is described in other terms, such as “two separate entities.”’
What’s the difference between an area over which a nation has total sovereignty and a nation-state?
Is he proposing Palestine have total sovereignty over it’s territory?
Gantz would recognize a Palestinian state
Extremely good if true.
though he’d still probably call it an entity. This is mostly owing to internal Israeli politics, though he also insists on calling it an Israeli entity too, saying that new language is needed to solve the problem. I think the language is weird, but I couldn’t give a shit as long as he’s describing a state.
Oh I agree. So long as it’s a state, the language is all politics
From the linked article for the people who don’t click through: "In surveys carried out by his party, most Israelis are in favour of a two-state solution when it is described in other terms, such as “two separate entities.”’
Well I hope the Israeli government will get to a point where it recognises a sovereign Palestinian state. How likely is Gantz to win the next election?
He seems to support a two-state solution and a completely sovereign Palestinian state. He also seems serious enough about it that he’s trying to find language to thread the needle of domestic politics to make it more popular with Israelis (and not give Netanyahu any room to attack him). If the language of a two-state solution isn’t viable, the easiest thing for a politician to do would be to just steer clear of it. That he’s taken the time to recognize that the concept is viable with different language suggests that he’s pretty committed to it.
It’s almost certain he’ll win the next election. Latest polling puts trust in Netanyahu at 4%. If the election were held today, Gantz would win in a landslide. The worst attack in the history of the country happened on Netanyahu’s watch, there’s no way he’s not done when the conflict is over. Gantz is basically seen as the one who stepped in to save the country from Netanyahu’s failures.
Some important missing context: Netanyahu is thankfully not going to be around to have any say over this.
Is there any evidence his replacement would be any different. I recently looked at the frontrunner party and I’m not seeing much hope for a drastic change. Perhaps sans the religious zealots.
Benny Gantz is a moderate on Palestine. He supports strengthening the PA and a two-state solution. Although he does refer to it as a “two-entity” solution. I’m honestly not sure there’s a meaningful distinction between a “sovereign entity” and a state. At the very least, he seems much more likely to be a good faith negotiator. Almost anyone would be better than Netanyahu.
Probably something like Native American reservations in the U.S.
That would require Isreal to give citizenship to Palestinians.
If it’s acting like reservations, Palestinians won’t have the right to prosecute Israelis who commit crime on Palestinian land for 100+ years, allowing rampant violence against the colonized people :/
So not a two state solution then. A two state solution means Palestine gets all the rights that a sovereign country has under international law, which means Isreal can’t just interfere with it at will. A two “entity” solution just means Isreal will continue to treat Palistine like they own it, but don’t have to grant the people living there citizenship.
That’s certainly the least charitable reading of that. He seems to always the center the importance of Palestinian sovereignty though, and I don’t see why he’d do that if that’s what he meant. Not owning your territory, being powerless to prevent interference, and not having ultimate say over who your citizens are is the opposite of sovereignty. In the political climate he operates in, there’s no cost to opposing a two-anything solution. So, why bother saying anything at all?
True, but I’m not that inclined to be charitable towards Israeli politicians these days.
Well that’s good, would he recognise Palestinian statehood?
Cute dodge. I’d still like to know why he’d waste so much time going on about Palestinian sovereignty. Just for shits and grins? What’s the difference between an area over which a nation has total sovereignty and a nation-state? Gantz would recognize a Palestinian state, though he’d still probably call it an entity. This is mostly owing to internal Israeli politics, though he also insists on calling it an Israeli entity too, saying that new language is needed to solve the problem. I think the language is weird, but I couldn’t give a shit as long as he’s describing a state.
From the linked article for the people who don’t click through: "In surveys carried out by his party, most Israelis are in favour of a two-state solution when it is described in other terms, such as “two separate entities.”’
Wtf, dodge of what?
Is he proposing Palestine have total sovereignty over it’s territory?
Extremely good if true.
Oh I agree. So long as it’s a state, the language is all politics
Well I hope the Israeli government will get to a point where it recognises a sovereign Palestinian state. How likely is Gantz to win the next election?
He seems to support a two-state solution and a completely sovereign Palestinian state. He also seems serious enough about it that he’s trying to find language to thread the needle of domestic politics to make it more popular with Israelis (and not give Netanyahu any room to attack him). If the language of a two-state solution isn’t viable, the easiest thing for a politician to do would be to just steer clear of it. That he’s taken the time to recognize that the concept is viable with different language suggests that he’s pretty committed to it.
It’s almost certain he’ll win the next election. Latest polling puts trust in Netanyahu at 4%. If the election were held today, Gantz would win in a landslide. The worst attack in the history of the country happened on Netanyahu’s watch, there’s no way he’s not done when the conflict is over. Gantz is basically seen as the one who stepped in to save the country from Netanyahu’s failures.
What would be beautiful is if “entity” meant “subdivision of a single state” but I won’t hold my breath.