• no step on snek@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Say whatever you want, at the end of the day, the IDF is the one to pull the trigger and fire missiles that eventually killed thousands of children. About 7k now?

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      And it would be zero had Hamas not started the war by raping, abducting and murdering random Israelis, including children. Also, this war would end today if Hamas surrendered. I’m not blaming the IDF for striking at Hamas, I’m blaming Hamas for starting this war. I’m blaming Hamas for hiding in Gaza’s civilian population. I’m blaming Hamas for every single death in this pointless war.

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        Still IDF pulling the trigger and firing all those dumb weapons on civilian areas and hospitals.

        If you shoot through a baby to kill a terrorist, you still shot through a baby.

        But what you’re saying is not true. Israel has been killing Palestinians heavily in the west bank prior to this. Not to mention every day.

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          It’s really very telling that you seem to think Hamas deliberately murdering random Israelis in alleged (and I don’t believe Hamas for a second here) response to the actions of Israel in the West Bank is somehow justified, but that Israel striking at actual terrorists and in the process unintentionally killing some of the civilians the terrorists hide behind is not.

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            “Justified”

            Right…

            Unintentionally killing 18k people in their homes or in shelters and then doing a big Oops!, that’s what you think is happening?

            I never said what Hamas did was justified, I’m saying it’s the inevitable result of oppressing a peopöe this long under conditions that break international law and are often considered crimes against humanity and apartheid. 😊

            Sadly it seems that the IDF’s incompetence may have caused a number of the deaths of October 7th, so I hope you blame them too when they drove tanks into houses or when witnesses say the IDF came in and shot both Hamas fighters and hostages. The hannibal detective, and all… Israel is blaming Hamas for it not only killing a another nation, but also their own.

            I feel bad for all the teens in the IDF that get caught up in this tragedy. And I feel bad for you for not being able to take a stand against this atrocity. If you condemn Hamas, be brave and honest enough to condemn Israel. Israel keeps killing Palestinians every single day, more than ever before in the past two months, and we need to have the guts to look passed our biases and expose it and stop it.

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          If the person behind the hostage is a serial killer who is certain to keep killing, yes. We’re talking about an organisation which has broken every ceasefire Israel has ever made with it.

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            And the cutting off of water and food?

            Considering the whole OCCUPATION AND BLOCKADE they are responsible for providing those things.

            Tying people up in the streets, destroying toys and other items, burning a trailer with food and water in it, killing journalists, not allowing independent investigators in to see anything.

            I’ll tell you what I’ll start believing Israel actually cares about anyone but themselves when you can show me the decapitated babies they said they had

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        Except hundreds of Palestinians were already killed by Israel before 10/7, and thousands were/are held in military courts without any charges for months at a time.