• samokosik@lemmynsfw.com
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    11 months ago

    First of all, Hamas is a terrorist organization and I fully support Israel in removing it. It definitely is not a resistance group.

    However, Israel has to change the way they approach the problem. Especially limiting shenanigans like this one and using stupid bombs.

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      11 months ago

      Dang, so the IDF gets your blessing even though they’re killing 10x as many civilians as a terrorist organization?

      Even though they’re killing more civilians than Russia?

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        11 months ago

        Were you replying to a different post or something?

        However, Israel has to change the way they approach the problem. Especially limiting shenanigans like this one and using stupid bombs.

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        11 months ago

        Wow it’s like you completely and utterly ignored his second paragraph entirely.

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        11 months ago

        Based on your comment, can I ask what would be your solution the whole Palestine-Israel conflict?

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          Trials in the Hague followed by imprisonment of all those guilty of war crimes. At this point that Includes most IDF members, their leaders, and the government.

          Actually bring consequences to bear and let other Israelis know that this isn’t acceptable. Israel also needs to be cut off from the teat of the American military industrial complex.

          Same standards for Hamas, but that’s a much smaller number.

          Any further sabre rattling is met with quick and strong sanctions.

          Basically the UN needs to do it’s job, but that needs America not to veto.

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            Same standards for Hamas, but that’s a much smaller number.

            Any further sabre rattling is met with quick and strong sanctions.

            Explain to me how that works with Hamas, because I don’t think they give a fuck about either of those things. More troops on the ground?

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          A bi national state modelled on the EU. Palestinian state delineated by the 1967 borders coexisting with the Jewish state. Single market and freedom of movement for all citizens whether Israeli or Palestinian. That way settlers don’t have to be removed and Palestinians can work in the cities as they did before Oslo.

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          11 months ago

          I’m not the person you’re talking to but as far as i can see the only way to go is one state solution.

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            11 months ago

            Help me out here, because I don’t see that how that’s supposed to work with the whole “killing a bunch of each other” thing going on.

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        11 months ago

        The constant attacks against Israel and it’s increasing isolation only probs Zionists right. Jews can only trust themselves for their own defense and need a state for that (that’s what Zionism is). People like you feed Zionism everyday.

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          11 months ago

          You’re conflating Jews with an extremist ideology that can only seem to exist through apartheid.

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      11 months ago

      Was Native American raids on “Settlements” terrorism? Was Nat Turner’s rebellion terrorism?

      Hamas is evil and the acts they have done are evil. But they weren’t created in a vacuum. Peace and a one or two state solution needs to be agreed apone by all with a right to self determination for the cycle of evil to stop.

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        It’s time to put in a UN peacekeeping force and a transitional government for a single state solution. Israel has beyond lost it’s moral high ground and should be treated like any other colonial remnant in the post colonial world.

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      11 months ago

      Ones terrorist group is another’s resistance heroes. Which is which very much depends on the side you’re sitting at.

      Hamas is indeed a terror group and should be removed but it’s hard not to see your bias. In sheer numbers, the IDF has killed multiples of what Hamas killed, in cruelty they’re really the same, and Hamas has the “excuse” of 70 years or so of oppression, murder, theft, etc by the Israeli side, the IDF doesn’t have that excuse.

      The IDF is a terrorist organisation too and the only difference is that the IDF is state sanctioned and managed, whereas Hamas is not.

      You, however, call what is starting to look like a genocide “shenanigans” that should be better managed whereas you outright call Hamas a terrorist group. Bias much?

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        Hey don’t dare to call Hamas as cruel as the IDF. They don’t torture their hostages nor shoot children. Nor do they try to kill people from other religions such as Christians living in Gaza nor do they try to steal other people’s land.

        They resist a genocidal Nazi regime and sometimes don’t do it the neatest way but from their position of fighting against their oppressors they hold pretty high moral standards.

        Hamas is infinitely humane than the IDF.

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      You can’t kill a terrorist group. The US spent the last 20 years proving that. You can only defend yourself and reform people/institutions to invalidate the ideology.

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        All israel would need to do for Hamas to die out is not commit genocide or ethnically cleanse Palestinians and occupy their land.

        But people here forget that that’s literally what israel is about.

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          When Hamas attacked I commented Israel would lash out with it’s usual fervor, making sure that any Palestinians that didn’t support Hamas wouldn’t have a choice. And that the US world would back Israel, providing more ammunition to the Muslim extremists in the middle east to want to continue to fight the US. And Israel working at that time to a potential deal actually worked out with Saudi Arabia would get smashed. Hamas played the world like a fucking fiddle and literally everyone danced along with the tune.

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      Shenanigans are things you can film with Yakkity Sax as background music. Boots Randolph doesn’t provide the soundtrack to genocide.

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        11 months ago

        You can’t use that word!!! The Big Brains™ will tell you that unless Israel is targeting every single Palestinian on earth then it’s not genocide!

        /Wrist

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      11 months ago

      They are are a resistance group, but that’s not really imoortant: I agree that Israel is justified in getting rid of them. What isn’t justified is almost everything they’ve done to achieve that aim.

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        11 months ago

        They have nothing in common with a resistance group. They are just brutal terrorists who have been terrible both to Israel and Gaza, as well. Just look at how much money were they getting and see how it ended.

        Israel has done war crimes, so it’s logical to condemn them for these actions. I believe they should have kept the approach from the beginning when they were precisely targeting the most dangerous buildings because Hamas was still a threat.

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          11 months ago

          Exactly like the IRA which Britain called terrorists and many others called resistance fighters. It’s a matter of perspective.