That’s all.

EDIT: Thank you all for detailing your experience with, and hatred for, this miserable product. Your display of solidarity is inspiring. Now, say it with me:

Fuck Microsoft

  • taiyang@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    8 months ago

    What blows my mind is MS fucking bought Skype and somehow Teams still can’t handle video calls correctly. The actual fuck did they do with that acquisition?

    • Evil_incarnate@lemm.eeEnglish
      0·
      8 months ago

      Skype used to be peer to peer. Your call went from you to your friend (whomever). Microsoft decided that they couldn’t mitm that setup to scrape data; so, soon after they acquired Skype, they made all calls go through their servers.

      Then they tried to make Skype make more money, since those servers aren’t free. Then they made teams and copied half the code into that, and cludged the rest to make it hold together.

      • sunbeam60@lemmy.oneEnglish
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        8 months ago

        In mean aside from the fact that almost all of that story is completely wrong, it’s a good story.

        Source: Used to work at Microsoft and worked a lot with people from the Skype team.

          • sunbeam60@lemmy.oneEnglish
            0·
            8 months ago

            Skype made the call negotiation go through a central server (as does all systems nowadays). Skype was originally built on Kazaa technology to punch through firewalls without a central coordinator and that’s what Microsoft removed. They didn’t remove it to track the calling but to enable larger group calls on weaker devices which required video mixing on a central system rather than peer to peer call (where weaker peers couldn’t decode that many video streams). Calls up to 4 are still routed peer to peer if the backend can find routes through all firewalls.

            Very very little of Skype was in the new Teams if anything. Teams was a rewrap of Communicator calling tech and was a response to Slack. The real time chatting had nothing to do with Skype either.

            Skype lingered in Microsoft for a couple of reasons; Microsoft was crap at acquiring businesses back then, thinking that a hands off approach was best. It meant Skype never really became a proper Microsoft team - they still felt and acted like Skype employees and they didn’t manage to affect Redmond very well. Being acquired is super hard especially when almost all of the bigger business was in a different time zone and a different culture.

            I was at a leadership development workshop with a tonne of Skype leaders about 10 years ago. They were still feeling incredibly frustrated and not understanding what was expected of them. It was a botched acquisition and the fault was on both sides.

            • RaoulDook@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              8 months ago

              So Teams calls of 1-4 people can send traffic direct peer-to-peer if they’re on the same LAN right?
              Do all calls of 5+ users stay centrally hosted on the cloud? These are the kinds of things that MS should document and make easily available for IT and firewall admins. Finding info on Teams ports wasn’t easy in my experience.

  • Squorlple@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    8 months ago

    Microsoft Teams isn’t all bad! For example, it bogged down my work computer so much at start up that I would basically get an extra break.

  • circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    1·
    8 months ago

    Is there a Microsoft product that isn’t?

    To be fair, Teams is pretty bad even for MS. I’ve never seen something do so relatively little and still perform so poorly. When I switched jobs and got to use Slack it was like a great fog being lifted off of my being.

  • magnetosphere@fedia.io
    1·
    8 months ago

    I was expecting a detailed rant, including an example or two. “That’s all” is much, much funnier.

  • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    0·
    8 months ago

    Fuck Microsoft. But first, Fuck Google, Fuck Amazon, Fuck Facebook. I am sure I could think of a few more that are worse than Microsoft, as bad as they are.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 🏆@yiffit.netEnglish
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    8 months ago

    Is there any video chat service that isn’t? It seems every single one has some glaring issue that makes it a pain to use. And it’s not like I could just use a FOSS thing that’s better; this is one of those things where you are kinda limited to using what everyone else you’re going to be talking to is using. :(