Summary
A school in Rösrath, Germany, temporarily closed after two children from the same family tested positive for the mpox clade 1b variant.
The children, who attend a special needs school, contracted the virus from a family member who recently traveled to Africa.
All infected family members are in quarantine, and online lessons will run until Friday as a precaution.
The Robert Koch Institute confirmed the virus poses low contagion risk, requiring close physical contact for transmission. The infections are mild, and no additional cases or deaths have been reported in Germany.
…most of which are medical the other are based on increased risk of exposure.
So, yes, if you’re working retail and got sideeye that means your colleagues aren’t up to date and you should probably get the work’s council involved to themselves relay the STIKO recommendation. Arguably your employer is slacking in their duty to care. If you’re a dockworker, yeah you probably overshared. Did you share the specific reason you did it? “Because of grandma” can change people’s attitude quite quickly.
“Because I don’t like to catch or spread easily preventable and possibly deadly diseases.”
“General paranoia” is not among the STIKO recommendations. I mean you do you but don’t be surprised when others think it’s a bit excessive.
Although I’m definitely too lazy to get a shot, I think it’s good to get those. I don’t think it’s excessive, it’s called modern health science.
It’s called ignoring STIKO recommendations. If they don’t recommend a particular immunisation for a particular collection of people then because they think that the overall risk of the vaccine is larger than the benefits it would bring. According to modern health science.
Yes, lots of idiot anti-vaxers ignored epidemiologists during the pandemic. Don’t now turn around and ignore epidemiologists to stick it to the idiots.
It’s the leading cause of child deaths by illness in the US now. That seems like all the reason we need.
The STIKO does not make recommendations for the US, but Germany.
Sure, but child deaths don’t really care about location.
Again, you assume that I am not covered by one of the aforementioned additional recommendations. And you asked for my reason why I got vaccinated, and that’s my main reason.
Do you play lottery by any chance? Got better chances to “win” COVID or Influenza than the jackpot ever. And once I win the jackpot, I’ll start worrying about adverse effects by vaccination. Because that’s even less likely.
Oh, and just to reassure you: I am not vaccinated against rabies.
When you give me a reason then I’m going to assume that that is your reason. I cannot, in fact, mind-read. You could have started with “Among other things” and my response would have been different.
I’m also not an epidemiologist so I won’t argue with the risk assessment of the STIKO. You, OTOH, are doing exactly that, claiming, so far without argument or evidence, that the risk of the vaccines you took is lower than the risk of contracting the illness.
Well, no need to be an epidemiologist to do basic research. So let’s get into it:
COVID-19
Influenza
Now that’s just wrong:
SCNR, you didn’t specify adverse side effects. :P
Here’s the info you’re looking for.
I almost cannot believe the degree of arrogance on display here. “Don’t listen to epidemiologists, have a look at my random assortment of anti-anti-vax talking points instead”. You are not an expert. Don’t pretend you are one just because you can destroy anti-vaxers with facts and logic, because you can dazzle people with stats. You are not an epidemiologist, and you have no idea what you’re talking about.
And neither do I. But at least I don’t pretend to know better than the epidemiologists. Do you seriously think your “basic research” trumps their actually learned assessments? Is the STIKO suddenly some shady cabal of anti-vaxers wanting us all dead? Do you have any actual arguments as to why their recommendations should be ignored?
Yes, if I had not gotten my three shots back then I should catch up on that. But I already have that base immunity, which, according to the STIKO, means that I shouldn’t get yearly shots because I don’t fall into any of the categories that they recommend them for. That’s the end of it.
Throwing stones … glasshouses?
I argued that the risk of a vaccination is negligibly small and backed that up with data. Not that the recommendations are bogus.
This is the second time you maliciously misrepresent my points.
Edit: To expand a bit: The recommendations are the recommendations because the STIKO works on a national level. 10 Person in 1 Million dying is a gamble I might be willing to take. The STIKO might not, because they potentially “sentence” ~800 people to death.
If it was actually negligible then the STIKO would say “everyone should still get vaccinated”. But it isn’t, so they don’t.
You mean you personally prefer to take the risk, and that’s fine, as said: You do you. But the chances don’t differ on a national vs. personal level, it’s still the same numbers.
Consider this: You also have a very low chance to get infected in the first place, (incidence and thus infection rates in Germany rates are very low), and on top of that the chance for the infection to be deadly or even dangerous is very low (because you (presumably) have base immunity). Those two chances combined are lower than that of getting the vaccination having nasty side effects which is why it’s not recommended to vaccinate if you’re not in a particular risk group, increasing the one, the other, or both chances.
Winning the lottery has a certain chance, getting struck by lighting has a certain chance, the chance of the same person first winning the lottery and then getting hit by lightning is smaller than either of those. And that chance is lower than catching bad side effects from the vaccine. Otherwise, as said, the STIKO would still recommend it for the general population.
The STIKO recommends whatever has the lowest number of people dying. During the pandemic, that was people getting vaccinated, now, it’s not (as long as you have base immunity). The amount of people dying because they followed STIKO recommendations will never be zero but, assuming the STIKO is doing its job, always be lower than those not following it.