Hey OP, get better news sources, DailyTelegraph.co.nz is Russian junk news.
Thank you, good to know. I was looking for English articles after reading it in German articles. IIRC i also saw it on TRT but avoided it because TRT is a Turkish outlet under the influence of Erdogan.
Police repression has been escalating in Germany and particularly in Berlin over the past years and both German and international media are not addressing the issue with the attention it deserves. Germany is taking more and more steps to become an authoritarian democracy. If the trend isn’t stopped, it will look like Hungary or Turkiye in some years.
Pro-Palestine protestors really seem to get the pigs into a rage. They must believe that they’ll be able to get away with it.
And so far, it looks like they have. Right now, in the U.S., the Trumplicans (and Leon) are revoking the visas of international students who took part in protests to support Palestine. I’d guess for every couple we hear about there are a hundred more we don’t.
It seems strange the countries all over the world are using similar violence against anyone protesting the Zionist genocide.
All that shit is happening in Germany, too.
From the article
Police intervened when the protesters allegedly violated the restriction, triggering a confrontation, Bild reported. As tensions escalated, demonstrators reportedly threw bottles and clashed with officers, leaving at least one officer injured. Berlin police confirmed the incident on their official X account, stating that 28 people were detained and insisting that the officers had no choice but to use force against protesters who they claim were acting violently.
Just so you know, “Bild” is a german right wing magazine. Imagine fox news as a newspaper. They are well known to report false information to smear left wing initiatives and further hurt victims if they are left wing. Since the victims of police brutality here are apparently pro-palastine, Bild cannot be trusted to report accurately
was good enough for dailytelegraph.co.nz (the linked source) but if you find any other sources please link
You might want to be careful trusting that site:
i’m happy to shit on that site and take it all back if it turns out to be junk reporting
it was just the article posted by the OP
In Germany, “Pro-palestine” protestors usually try to hijack left-wing demonstrations for unrelated topics. Saw that many times myself, and get super sad about it all the time.
It is really tough if you are out demonstrating fascism, and all of a sudden people with antisemitic symbols stand behind you, waving their watermelons and god knows what
Israel is a fascist apartheid state committing genocide. Police violently cracking down on anti-israel / anti-zionist speech is also fascist. You are conflating anti-zionism with anti-semitism, which is genuine anti-semitism. Anti-zionism calls for the end to genocide and for Palestinians emancipation.
Zionism is about Settler Colonialism and Ethnic Cleansing of native Palestinians, it is not reflective of Judaism nor is it representative of Jewish people. Anti-zionism is not anti-semitism. The conflation of the two is genuinely antisemitic, as it falsely attributes the actions of Israel to all Jewish people.
Zionism is anti-Semitic at it’s core, it other-izes Jewish people, and justifies the violent settler colonialim of Israel as in the defense of all Jewish people, which only serves to further fuel genuine Antisemitism at the expense of Jewish people globally. Zionism is also an inherently fascist ideology. The ethnic cleansing of the native people of Palestine has always been fundamental since it’s inception as a colonialist movement.
Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history.
here’s a video on the history of palestine, you can decide for yourself if the jews have a right to live in palestine, have a right to a state in palestine, have a right to return to palestine and how long the conflict has been going on
Benny Morris is a Zionist who justifies and supports the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. If you are genuinely interested in the full story, you should at the least read the works of anti-zionist Historians as well
Gaza Infographics
Historian Works on the History
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Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
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The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
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A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
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The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
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The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
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The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
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10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
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The Birth of Israel Myths and Realities - Simha Flapan
Documentaries
A shocking insight into Israel’s Apartheid | Roadmap to Apartheid | Full Film
Palestine 101 with Abby Martin
Life in Occupied PALESTINE by Anna Baltzer
How Israeli Apartheid Destroyed My Hometown
One year of Israel’s war on Gaza: Al Jazeera special coverage
Palestine 1920: The Other Side of the Palestinian Story | Al Jazeera World Documentary
Benny Morris is a Zionist who justifies and supports the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. If you are genuinely interested in the full story, you should at the least read the works of anti-zionist Historians as well
any proof he’s a zionist, or just doesn’t agree with you
Did you not even bother to read the paragraphs I quoted? You have no clue what you’re talking about
But in an astonishing recent Ha’aretz interview, after summarizing his new research, Morris proceeds to argue for the necessity of ethnic cleansing in 1948. He faults David Ben-Gurion for failing to expel all Arab Israelis, and hints that it may be necessary to finish the job in the future. Though he calls himself a left-wing Zionist, he invokes and praises the fascist Vladimir Jabotinsky in calling for an “iron wall” solution to the current crisis. Referring to Sharon’s Security Wall, he says, “Something like a cage has to be built for them. I know that sounds terrible. It is really cruel. But there is no choice. There is a wild animal there that has to be locked up in one way or another.” He calls the conflict between Israelis and Arabs a struggle between civilization and barbarism, and suggests an analogy frequently drawn by Palestinians, though from the other side of the Winchester: “Even the great American democracy could not have been created without the annihilation of the Indians.”
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depends on the kind of anti-zionism
“destroy israel” for example is genocidal
palestinians and israeli’s have been trying to genocide eachother for about a hundred years
palestinians and israeli’s have been trying to genocide eachother for about a hundred years
That’s completely false and a common hasbara talking point to justify the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
The Concept of Transfer in Zionist Political Thought goes back to 1882
Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.
The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.
An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.
Partition
The Zionists were tireless in their efforts to shape the Commission’s proposals, meeting not only with the Com mission members themselves, but with statesmen, cabinet ministers, members of parliament, and senior officials at the Foreign and Colonial Office with whom the Commission members were likely to consult before formulating their recommendations.15 At these meetings the idea of a population transfer was promoted in conjunction with the partition of the country, the partition idea apparently was first suggested by a member of the Commission itself. Professor Reginald Coupland, during a private meeting with Weizmann in Palestine. The prospect of official British recognition- hitherto steadfastly denied-of Jewish sovereignty and state hood, even in only part of Palestine, represented a tremen dous, and at that stage unhoped for, advance for the Zionist movement. Given the demographic realities at the time, whatever boundaries might be devised for partition would inevitably result in large numbers of Arabs and even greater expanses of Arab-owned land becoming part of whatever Jewish state would be carved out. Thus, the notion of transfer was a natural concommitant to the partition idea. Evidence sug gests that the proposal of Arab transfer that was ultimately made by the Royal Commission originated from, and had been secretly conveyed by, top Jewish Agency leaders, including Ben-Gurion, Shertok, and weizmann. As early as the Jewish Agency Executive meeting in October, Ben- Gurion had indicated his intention to raise the issue: “if the Peel Commission and the London government accept [the idea of transfer to Transjordan], we will remove the land problem from the agenda.’
- Page 55, The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948
- Simha Flapan - The Birth of Israel Myths and Realities
Morris asserted that the onset of the fighting between Israel and the Arab armies that entered the country on the day the British Mandate ended, May 15, 1948, was the main reason for what he called the “Birth of the Palestinian refugee problem.” I have argued that it was not the war itself, since half of those who became refugees—hundreds of thousands of Palestinians—had been expelled before it had even commenced. Moreover, I claimed that the war was initiated by Israel in order to secure the historical opportunity to expel the Palestinians.19 The idea that the Palestinians left voluntarily is not the only false assumption associated with the 1948 war. There are three others that are often aired to explain away the events of that year. The first is that the Palestinians are to be blamed for what happened to them since they rejected the UN partition plan of November 1947. This allegation ignores the colonialist nature of the Zionist movement. What is clear is that the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians can in no way be justified as a “punishment” for their rejecting a UN peace plan that was devised without any consultation with the Palestinians themselves.
- Ilan Pappe - Ten Myths About Israel - Ch 5
Under Occupation
Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.
Hamas 1988 Charter and Revised 2017 Charter
The 1988 Charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. Hamas wants an end to Israel as an Apartheid State, not an extermination of all Israelis. Under Ahmed Yassin in the 1990’s, truces were offered in exchange for Israeli to withdrawal from Gaza and the West Bank to the 1967 borders. The 2017 Revised charter explicitly accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised charter.
The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but he’s not Palestinian.
History of Hamas supported by Netanyahu since 2012
morris doesn’t say that palestine belongs to the jews, he quite clearly states lots of people have lived there over the years mostly under muslim empires but also a jewish country that was ethnically cleansed by the romans
oh and hamas started with the aim of destroying israel. genocide
Like I said, he is a Zionist who justifies the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, as you can clearly see in both the previous quote and the one I just sent to your other comment.
oh and hamas started with the aim of destroying israel. genocide
Again, as I pointed out in the last section of the previous reply, “destroying Israel” has always meant ending the Apartheid and Settler Colonialist Occupation of Zionism. It has never meant the Genocide of Jewish people nor Israelis. That is complete projection from the mentality of the occupiers who have been ethnically cleansing Palestinians for more than 76 years.
here’s a video on the history of palestine, you can decide for yourself if the jews have a right to live in palestine, have a right to a state in palestine, have a right to return to palestine and how long the conflict has been going on
the palestinian “protest” has been injected into everything possible to influence a lot of things
courtesy of one of their sponsors; a mr putin from moscow, who ironically is best friends with a mr trump from NY - one of their worst enemies
“The restriction” being: speaking any language other than german or english at a protest.
I think this should be spelled out. That’s how nazi this is
The demonstration, which took place at Oranienplatz, reportedly remained peaceful until some began chanting anti-Israel slogans in Arabic, which is banned in Berlin.
the interpretations from the first poster of this article to everyone that has replied is so wildly incorrectly biassed against the german authorities and police to the extent that you compare them to nazis is astonishing
i think the violent fundamentalists are obviously yourselves
All languages other than German and English are banned at these protests in Berlin. It’s not only Arabic. Irish is also banned (see link below). Same goes for Hebrew (as per Hebrew speaking pro Palestine activists). And most likely any other language other than German or English would get instantly banned. This isn’t normal in a democracy. But sure, go find more excuses for the egregious attacks on our freedom of speech and assembly.
https://www.theleftberlin.com/dangerous-language-bans-at-pro-palestine-camp-in-berlin/
Is there any reason for protesters to use a language other than German to make their opinion heard? It’s even extended to include English to be inclusive of foreigners who do not have a constitutionally protected right to protest in Germany in the first place. (In case you don’t believe me, Article 8 GG says “all Germans”, not “everyone”).
You know what the German left would do when he police tried to outlaw Italian at protests? a) challenge it in court because banning “alerta, alerta, antifascista” has no warrant, everyone knows what it means and it’s not like anyone would know any more Itanian to chant (short of “latte machiato spaghetti stronzo basta”) and b) not use it while that thing is in the courts. Choose your battles.
I cannot explain the ignorance of local mores that certain pro-Palestine groups are displaying in Germany as anything else but a false flag attack on the Palestinian cause. Because there’s no way in hell people can be so willfully dense, be so unable to work within the local conditions. Conditions which offer plenty of freedom if you don’t, at every opportunity, try to piss people off for no gain whatsoever. I’m trying to employ “never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity” but it’s getting damn hard the more those certain groups steadfastly refuse to learn, and even refuse advise regarding their tactics.
the languages are banned only if they cannot monitor hate speech, which they are very tough on in germany and happens to be all too common at these protests
you can still express yourself freely in german or english
And from the paragraph you cited: “Berlin police confirmed the incident on their official X account…insisting that the officers had no choice but to use force against protesters who they claim were acting violently.”
They say shit like this even when there are hours of video demonstrating otherwise. I’m sure afterward they’ll investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing.
They say shit like this
demonstrators reportedly threw bottles and clashed with officers, leaving at least one officer injured
before they violently arrest you
From the article it seems like bottles started flying after they started beating people. But of course it’s the protestors’ fault, always is
nope, they started racist chants which meant the police attempted arrests which caused the projectiles
Nazis being Nazis.
No matter if you say all germans are nazis, or all police are nazis, both is wrong.
Police in full riot gear beating up unarmed women is a pretty strong indicator though. Also German police has Nazi scandals every year. This goes from whatsapp chats, where they share “nazi jokes” and pedophilia, over stealing weapons and ammunition for nazi terror groups, to protecting nazi terror cells committing attacks on politicans to being involved in planning violent coups and mass murder of political enemies
Oh and of course there is a bunch of racist murders by the police, with one infamous police station still in operation, where a black men was set on fire by cops and a Chinese women was raped and murdered by the step-son of the former leader of the station and son of a policewomen there, who both likely helped cover up the crime.
In Germany, if you have a police interaction with a person that is deemed to be “non German” or that is deemed to be “lefty”, the interaction will likely be racist or otherwise abusive.
EDIT: Oh and there was a recent case, where the police deported a non-binary German person to Hungary in June 2024 despite a court injunction that forbid the deportation. However the constitutional court ruling the action of the police to be unlawful recently doesn’t change the fact that she is indeed abused and the police who deported her there did not face any consequences yet.
Fascism is epidemic inside the German police and Racism and Sexism are systematically protected by the administrative and political leaders.
Hi german here
Yes police in east germany has big nazi problems. Doesnt mean all are nazis -.-
They are in riot gears for their own protection. Especially after the happenings of last few months where people started driving into crows
While yes often there is racial profiling with police stops there is no such thing as higher stops for “looking left wing” and that they then are abusive to you
You are putting in all people under one blanket. You know who also does that? Racists, nazis, homophobes aso. Your argument is: Japan has nazis: all japanese are nazis There are nazis that play video games: all that play video games are nazis There are nazi Programmers: all nazi programmers are nazis. Little tip: There are also nazi woman! Guess all woman are nazis hmm?
Maybe instead of generalising, focus on the individuals, on the nazis not on those that dont do these adhorent crimes
I don’t think Saleh is saying anything about all police being this way.
But the fact that any of them are like this, and that there are enough of them like this, is a genuine problem for the well-being of regular people.
This isn’t an all-or-nothing situation. We can recognize that there are a significant number of police using violence to accomplish political ends without having to make a disclaimer about not all individual police being this way, because there are clearly enough of them behaving this way that there is real cause for concern.
Wouldn’t you agree?
Clearly enought haha yeah…yeah…21%…
It is a big problem. I fully agree. A police in saxony had the german empire eagle stiched in the car seats. It is a problem, a huge problem.
Though this isnt because the police is inherently nazis, like its being put here and constantly yelled with ACAB. I can say myself, having worked with the police in my city, Augsburg, and having had many encounters with them, these people do not represent the police all over.
Clear distinction is key. If one puts innocent people in the same pot as normal people you aggrovate them and push them into this problem group, thus making this problem even bigger. One should never dehumanise. Never create this “us vs them” mentality". Doing this, you dont fight the problem, you radicalise yourself and this is a path that quickly only brings distruction.
That’s true but the centerism of pretending that systemic behavior is the doing of a few black sheep also doesn’t help to stop and make changes. Look at the West Bank, for years the European countries gave a free hand to Israel “oh but it is just a few settlers, Israelis want peace” and today? The whole places is riddled with colonies, stealing Palestinian land and making their lives unliveable. So yeah sure not all police are Nazis but when they behave like some or execute fascist laws then they are no better than the brown shirts of old. London police stood up when a peaceful protest came under fire by politicians and upheld the citizens’ right to protest. That’s how police should behave, as the ultimate keeper of our rights, not to tear them away.
As i said it is epidemic and it is systematically protected. Does not mean “all of them”. As an institution it is deeply riddled with these problems.
As for higher stops for “looking left wing” there was this thing in 2023 where police demanded the train conductors to report people with dreadlocks or “looking politically non-conformative” (“alternatives aussehen”).
Police wearing Riot gear and escalating left wing demonstrations also has nothing to do with cars driving into crowds. it is not a recent event. Just put “police violence berlin” or “police violence germany” into your search engine and you will find many examples. Here you can see police officers in full riot gear throwing women to the ground last summer, despite them evidently not posing any threat to anyone. Here you can see two police officers torturing a detained climate activist in 2023 despite there being no threat from him or anyone around whatsoever. Note how you can hear the snap of his wrist. I could not find any article regarding the officers to have faced any consequences.
All of this would not be a problem if the “individuals” that act in such a way would face consequences. Instead they are protected by their colleagues and the institution at large, which makes them complicit.
Sorry, to me their argument was the police are nazis, not all Germans. ACAB referrs to the institution, as yes there are there can’t be good people being police, as they are corrupted, or forced out.
So since i worked with the police, i am inherently corrupt and a bad person?
Did you actively speak out about police brutally and oppression? Did you effect change of the systematic injustices the police department commits?
I wasnt a cop. I worked with them in the terms of cases that i was a witness plus did some IT work under contract. Not everyone that works for the police is a cop. And yes i speak out against the wrong doing of everyone! I went into politics to bring change! I am holding demonstrations and organize them. Against homophobia, transphobia, against the AfD, left extremists, against the actions the CDU does, against russia, that the police should not be the once investigating the cases that were done by them and that their body cams need to be on when ever out in uniform and more
What have you done so faar?
Edit: you said everyone in there is corrupt. No matter if they cant speak out because they cant afford to lose the job, no matter if they speak out but cant change it because they are a single office worker in the police. No you said all are corrupt
Not answering on the ‘all nazis’ point that just seems to be a wide misunderstanding and was already answered by others.
On the ‘left wing’ profiling though, I do think that there definitely exists something of the kind, at least in France. I experienced it multiple times, when being controlled on the streets. Each time, only people arrested were ‘alternative’ people (like with a punk look, tracksuits, looking homeless, or just fucked up clothes and long hairs like me). Most of us where white. And all people around with nice clothes and huge baggages were not even looked at. Maybe you don’t see this as ‘left wing’ but that is kinda the only concept i see that could encompass all those groups.
And of course it is not such a problem as racial profiling, in impact on people and society as well as in numbers, but I really do think it exists.
Berlin, Berlin, Berlin, Sachsen-Anhalt – both murders are connected to the Dessau police, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. You could add Hamburg to the list of forces with a definite racism problem (remember the emetics stuff?), and others, such as Bavaria, well not so much racism but general police state attitude. They’re also pretty letter of the law, while the eastern cases are by and large egregious law breaches. Hamburg’s police doesn’t really fit the city, TBH, I blame Schill.
Painting all 16 state forces with the same brush is guaranteed to get you some blowback based on regional patriotism alone.
Watch germans scramble to take the side of cops, as usual. I’ve heard boots are a speciality this season.
Nah, our police has a well known issue with brutality, every leftist already experienced that. But our conservatives are always talking it down as “Einzelfälle” but everyone else knows its a systemic issue.
Tagging hendrik@palaver.p3x.de who believes german police is super chill
If you want to tag a user you have to start with an @ symbol. You just posted an invalid e-mail.
thanks, i sent him a manual message anyway @remon@ani.social
Just as a side note, when I’m at a demonstration where people are throwing bottles at cops, I’m leaving. Demonstration over. New! Improved! Riot beginning.
If bottles were thrown it was in reaction to the police hitting the demonstratos with batons and punching peaceful participants holding a banner, you can see the videos in the article. As to what triggered the punching? A chant in Arabic condemning Israel. Your comment makes it sound like things turned into a “riot” for no reason and that the repression was justified.
Usually bottles are thrown after the cops start attacking and by this point you might not be able to leave easily anymore as you are probably surrounded.
What if you demonstrate against the growing authoritarian and fascist regimes? The ones that have power over the police?
My opinion is that in such cases bottles are ok, but they should contain a flammable liquid and an accompanying flame.
