Nothing says “family” like eating alone in your room, huh?

You do.

/edit Just scrolled further down and saw the picture of the kitchen table. I take that back, it’s not you but the place is indeed disgusting as fuck and you have my sincere sympathies.

It’s the company that screwed the earth by deliberately cheating on emission tests, fucked over employees by declaring they didn’t have money for them before spontaneously finding 6 billion euros when it was time to determine management bonuses (before now declaring they want to fire 50k people), built military cars for the Nazis using forced labourers and concentration camp inmates when they promised they’d build private, civilian cars (which led to hundreds of thousands of people to save money for a product that didn’t exist), ratted out its employees to the Brazilian dictatorship that then promptly started torturing them, is now benefitting from the Uyghur mistreatment in Xinjiang and has a CEO that recently used a Nazi slogan as a pun.

And you’re complaining that they use the same dumb headlights as all other companies.

That’s the same company that just three weeks ago “found” 6 billion euros, just before they had to determine how much money in bonuses the management should get, right?

I can’t tell if you’re joking or not

I can’t tell if you’re joking or not.

VGA, remastered and EGA?

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That’s the whole point, it actually isn’t. This isn’t helping. The planet is off worse. People in China earn more money and China exports more stuff, but in the end they still emit a buttload more because they, while also building lots of renewables, are also building lots and lots of new fossil fuel burning facilities.

Also, the people here keep bringing up this whole “China produces so many good and relies on heavy industry” point. That’s not what the gdp is about, so the argument is moot because it’s essentially just a feeling.

Your coal argument also ignores context: China’s new coal units are ultra-supercritical

Lol so we’re defending Gigawatts worth of new coal plants now? Arguing that those are the better ones? This is just ridiculous.

GDP/emissions is a useful data point when used in conjunction with knowledge of what groups of industry are pushing GDP. The fact you can’t see this is amazing.

So it’s a useful data point if it suits your talking points but not if it doesn’t, got it. What nonsense. Provide useful data beyond claims of some absurd “accounting fraud” and then we can talk.

Which means gdp is a shitty value to relate emissions to. Exactly. Because it says nothing about that.

The link states that there are a bunch of countries who absolutely managed to lower emissions while increasing gdp. The argument against it isn’t that this isn’t true, it’s that there’s no “true” economic decoupling because gdp doesn’t reflect a whole bunch of stuff (such as emission heavy industries just being moved to countries that don’t give a flying fuck about emissions).

What is it? Are China’s emissions great because they decline in relation to gdp? Then they’re really not because other countries manage to increase gdp while reducing emissions drastically. Or don’t those statistics matter because there’s no true decoupling? Then gdp is obviously the wrong value to measure against, which is what I said in the first place. Right now you’re arguing both ways, but always in the direction that benefits China, which is obviously contradictory.

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The US comparison is stupid because the US are literally the worst offender when it comes to emissions per capita. That way you’re hanging the bar so low you’ll always end up winning.

I linked the emissions statistics I used earlier: https://ourworldindata.org/profile/co2/china

I’m well aware that China installs more renewables than anybody else. They also install much, much more coal than anybody else. So yeah, it could be worse, but it’s still horrific and greenwashing that by comparing it to metrics of economic growth doesn’t change it.

Oh… So now we agree that relating them to gdp is a dumb way to measure emissions?

It’s not a useful statistic, but it’s also not what the statistic is about. The gdp isn’t just production, a significant part of it is the money earned by the citizens. So this puts the emissions at least partly in relation to the money the average citizen earns.

But let’s just put that aside and assume gdp is a valid criterion. Even then, there are lots of countries that manage to grow their gdp while reducing their emissions. Which illustrates even more that emitting more co2 but growing the economy a bit more than those emissions isn’t an achievement, it’s a failure.

What does the US have to do with that? The US are obviously even worse. So what? China’s emissions are rising dramatically and that’s an issue. Saying that’s not too bad because they have more money now is dumb because, as I said, the only relevant measurement is emissions per capita. Which should be zero (which they are nowhere) or declining (which china’s don’t). It’s not a hard concept.

If you measure economic activity in terms of domestic currency per capita, then you’re effectively measuring against the amount of money available. It’s a stupid way to measure anything.

It’s also stupid to measure co2 emissions against economic activity if you don’t use the local currency as the point of reference because a) the planet doesn’t care how economically active society is when the climate goes downhill and b) you then usually use another currency, probably usd, as a point of reference, so even then inflation will keep boosting numbers, regardless of actual emissions.

The only number that counts is emissions per capita. China is terrible when it comes to that though, so I get why tankies keep inventing bullshit metrics to make it seem a little less horrific.

What kind of stupid measurement is that? The solution to being more environmentally friendly is now printing more money or what?

I’m so looking forward to it.

Don’t forget to add a “package management” service that at first glance makes importing XMLlamascript modules super easy but at second glance takes down the Internet after you piss off a random maintainer before then turning into a malware distribution engine.