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I am talking about exploits that are part of iOS and that don’t get fixed for months despite Apple knowing.
And no, it is not better than Google (about equally bad) and maybe slightly less bad than Facebook.
Google’s Android is at least open-source and there are some vendors that try to optimize it for better privacy. Also Google is quite serious about security, while the advertising & lifestyle company Apple is pretty much a joke in comparison.
But my very point was that painting Apple as the only viable solution because they are slightly less bad in some ways is defeatist and also untrue, because there are definitely companies that sell more privacy respecting and somewhat more secure Android phones (which are perfectly obtainable and useable by non tech savvy people).
Nice. Apple is kinda the crossfit of the tech world. People that use FB and google are at least aware that they’re terrible companies… apple users not so much.
IMHO iOS security always has been pretty bad, but Android security was worse in the early days. However Google has been trying to clean up their mess since Android 7 or so.
Yes, Android security was taken seriously starting from 8 Oreo. However, the long going open source model of Android overtaking the closed source conservative iOS was only a matter of time. Now, iOS will either need to open up to compete, or stay inferior forever.
Google’s Android is at least open-source and there are some vendors that try to optimize it for better privacy.
That is misleading. There are no large vendors that offer such devices. Only option AFAIK is /e/ foundation with its 3rd party installs, but they are by no means an established player.
Try looking at it a bit less extremist. Sure there are no large vendors that go as far as /e/ does, but that is largely because most normal users do actually want to use the Playstore and some Google services. So while you are correct in some way, there are definitely vendors that load much less privacy problematic apps on their default system images.
Do you know that spying happens exactly trough Google services? You cannot have any expectation of privacy with Google services installed. Google has monopolized spying on Android by restricting APIs that can be used to spy on users (wifi/bt scans, filesystem, background processing).
I saw that. I think its unreasonable to argue in favor of Google despite Apple being disastrous. The only privacy conscious option I see for smartphone usage is LineageOS without Gapps + FDroid or /e/ for less tech savvy people. Lots of tracking happens trough WiFi/BT mapping and that means you have to get rid of problematic pieces of SW stack at a pretty low level: Gapps and ditching iPhone completley.
Do you know how much data Apple spies on? That recent 20x report was twisted by the Apple fanboy/paid outlets to badmouth Android, when if you read the report, it was Apple that spied much more identifiers.
yeah I’ve seen this research, and again I’m in no way defending Apple’s user abuse. You say that Apple spies much more identifiers which is true as per paper but is true only while using device without touching Play services. It’s measuring spying activity only in idle/startup mode of operation. I kinda doubt Google doesn’t use WiFi MAC address of phone for social/location mining. Paper doesn’t mention anything about what kind of spying happens when you start using your phone as a typical user would: mail, web, maps, YT.
The thing is, you can degoogle/detelemetry any Android device with my known smartphone guide, without root, and any Android 9+ device fully. (Android 7/8 can be hard to do and should not be used as daily driver anyway now.)
The answer to that, according to Apple fanboys is, do not buy Apple. That speaks volumes about Apple users and their care for privacy, security and anonymity rights.
I am talking about exploits that are part of iOS and that don’t get fixed for months despite Apple knowing.
And no, it is not better than Google (about equally bad) and maybe slightly less bad than Facebook.
Google’s Android is at least open-source and there are some vendors that try to optimize it for better privacy. Also Google is quite serious about security, while the advertising & lifestyle company Apple is pretty much a joke in comparison.
But my very point was that painting Apple as the only viable solution because they are slightly less bad in some ways is defeatist and also untrue, because there are definitely companies that sell more privacy respecting and somewhat more secure Android phones (which are perfectly obtainable and useable by non tech savvy people).
Nice. Apple is kinda the crossfit of the tech world. People that use FB and google are at least aware that they’re terrible companies… apple users not so much.
Crossfit… you came up with one hell of an example, based
https://www.wired.com/story/android-zero-day-more-than-ios-zerodium/ iOS exploits are a dozen a dime, wsy cheaper than Android
And that article is from early 2019.
IMHO iOS security always has been pretty bad, but Android security was worse in the early days. However Google has been trying to clean up their mess since Android 7 or so.
Yes, Android security was taken seriously starting from 8 Oreo. However, the long going open source model of Android overtaking the closed source conservative iOS was only a matter of time. Now, iOS will either need to open up to compete, or stay inferior forever.
That is misleading. There are no large vendors that offer such devices. Only option AFAIK is /e/ foundation with its 3rd party installs, but they are by no means an established player.
Try looking at it a bit less extremist. Sure there are no large vendors that go as far as /e/ does, but that is largely because most normal users do actually want to use the Playstore and some Google services. So while you are correct in some way, there are definitely vendors that load much less privacy problematic apps on their default system images.
Do you know that spying happens exactly trough Google services? You cannot have any expectation of privacy with Google services installed. Google has monopolized spying on Android by restricting APIs that can be used to spy on users (wifi/bt scans, filesystem, background processing).
Yes I am fully aware… but the context of comparing it to Apple is key here.
I saw that. I think its unreasonable to argue in favor of Google despite Apple being disastrous. The only privacy conscious option I see for smartphone usage is LineageOS without Gapps + FDroid or /e/ for less tech savvy people. Lots of tracking happens trough WiFi/BT mapping and that means you have to get rid of problematic pieces of SW stack at a pretty low level: Gapps and ditching iPhone completley.
Do you know how much data Apple spies on? That recent 20x report was twisted by the Apple fanboy/paid outlets to badmouth Android, when if you read the report, it was Apple that spied much more identifiers.
https://www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/apple_google.pdf
https://teddit.net/r/privatelife/comments/mh9gt3/ Read the top stickied comment, I sourced it from another person who debunked the Apple fanboy twist
yeah I’ve seen this research, and again I’m in no way defending Apple’s user abuse. You say that Apple spies much more identifiers which is true as per paper but is true only while using device without touching Play services. It’s measuring spying activity only in idle/startup mode of operation. I kinda doubt Google doesn’t use WiFi MAC address of phone for social/location mining. Paper doesn’t mention anything about what kind of spying happens when you start using your phone as a typical user would: mail, web, maps, YT.
The thing is, you can degoogle/detelemetry any Android device with my known smartphone guide, without root, and any Android 9+ device fully. (Android 7/8 can be hard to do and should not be used as daily driver anyway now.)
Can you do that with Apple device? No.
I agree with you fully on that front. I just think we should demand more than just some settings options.
The answer to that, according to Apple fanboys is, do not buy Apple. That speaks volumes about Apple users and their care for privacy, security and anonymity rights.