I think it’s a great idea, because comparing First and Second World Wars is kinds stupid. One was war of English and French capital against German capital, the other was war of the People against fascism.
That is certainly easy to understand from the perspectives of the Soviet Union, the Mongolian People’s Republic, and all of the socialist paramilitaries (including the CPC). Unfortunately, the Western Allies did not fight the Axis in order to defeat Fascism, hence why nobody invaded Iberia’s parafascist empires.
I used to think that World War I was boring because I could not sympathize with any of the sides. However, after I watched videos of The Entente Gold, and more importantly, after I learnt about the Meds Yeghern, I finally started taking WWI seriously. WWI was not just another silly game of empires competing for resources: it involved ordinary people, like us, struggling against their oppressors. That being said, calling this the ‘World Anti-Imperialist War’ would be too misleading, much like referring to its sequel as the ‘World Anti-Fascist War’ is, even though I could understand how somebody else would arrive at those conclusions.
It’s a bit clunky in English but I do agree with the framing.
I know there will be endless arguing over not including the US, UK, and France as fascist countries but in reality they were not fascist. Of course those countries sucked - all three were maintaining brutal colonial empires at the time - but to call them fascist is to basically strip fascism as meaning anything. You can still be evil and not fascist. Japan, Germany, and Italy all possessed unique qualities as states (fascism) and they were on the same side. I think it’s a reasonable description.
Disagree on the US specifically. If anything the USA was the original fascist state.
Just like La Dame D’Azur wrote, the USA IS the original fascist state and one could consider it a successful one to the point that it was an inspiration for the Nazis. To delve into this, you can read the following book:
For the part of the inspiration of the Nazis, there is a russian historian called Yegor Yákovlev that delves into this. CubaDebate has a video from this historian
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
weird how many fash countries were on the anti-fascist side.
Now see, I know that you are referring to the liberal régimes like Imperial America, but eleven months ago I had a strange dream about confirmed Fascists who fought for the Allies, and it turned out that there were indeed some.
In the same vein, some Fascists refused to go to war against the RSI, while others joined the Royal Army, considering this the honorable (and Fascist) thing to do. In perhaps the greatest irony imaginable, eager draftees in May 1944 shouted “Hail Mussolini! Duce! Duce!” when in fact the army they were joining was at war with Mussolini.⁷⁵
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World Anti-Fascist War > Great Patriotic War > World War 2.
“Great Patriotic War” only refers to Soviet War of Resistance Against German Aggression, so it would be kinda stupid to use that.
I think it shows that western propaganda has infected China. Both wars were war between imperialist capitalists vs capitalists who were striving for empire.
Pre-ww2 usa was every bit as fascist as germany. They just had victims who couldn’t effectively resist.
europe didn’t fight germany and italy to stop fascism. They did it to protect themselves and their colonial holdings.
The Chinese Communists made a truce with Chinese fascists to fight the japanese fascists. The Chinese didn’t defeat the kmt until 4 years after ww2 was over.
The next world war will be the world anti-fascist war.
I don’t agree at all. Remember that China was fighting against fascist/monarchist Japan.
China knows that the leaders of World War 2 were the USSR and arguable Maoist China. It knows that capitalist countries mostly provided assistance to socialism, because Hitler had gone too far for the colonialist’s tastes.
China fought the imperialist Japanese not the fascism. Once japan was off the main land China stopped fighting them. The Chinese civil war against the fascist KMT ended after ww2. So for China ww2 wasn’t against fascism it was against imperialism.
For Russia it was war against fascists but it was a defensive war. They were not actively seeking to crush fascism. They were defending themselves against an invasion and the invaders refused to surrender until after they took the enemy’s capital and hitler shot himself in the head.
Fighting fascists is not the same as anti-fascism.
Once japan was off the main land China stopped fighting them
I don’t think China had any ability to continue fighting Japan once they were off the mainland.
Still seems like you’re slightly splitting hairs
We are discussing what we think about a name for a historical event. It is literally a semantic discussion. So yeah I am being precise as to why I think it is a bad name.
Totally off base. You need some self crit.
The war was predominantly Third Reich representing European capital vs USSR.
80% of the third Reich defeated by the Soviets.
It was 100% the anti-fascist war
USSR were fighting fascists but they were not seeking to destroy fascism. It was self defense against fascist not a proactive war of extermination of the fascist ideology.
And the third reich was not representing “european capital” it was representing a bulk of European industrial capital but by no means was it all of it.
You could call it the war against communism then, but that wouldn’t create a glory story
Regarding capital, you just splitting hairs
It started as a usual imperialist war and then turned into communism vs fascism.
