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The Democrats should pull a Cato the Elder and bring up the Epstein list all the time, they aren’t talking about it enough. Furthermore, the Epstein files must be released.
Is this 3D chess and he is making Republicans reevaluate their stance on homelessness?
Is MTG becoming one of the good guys here? WTFFFF?
Only in USA you can be sued and lose for speaking thr truth. Freedom of speech my ass.
Freedom of speech exist
But the problem is Freedom after speech. 👀
The problem isn’t that they would lose, it’s that it is expensive to litigate. Hiring a lawyer and fighting someone who will keep appealing no matter what gets very expensive very quickly. Not to mention, if it is someone with clout, they can drag your reputation through the mud while they’re doing it.
Truth is a complete defense to defamation in the US. The problem is SLAPP protections don’t go far enough when there is a large disparity in resources.
It’s especially problematic when the consequences to victims go beyond lawsuits (reputational, mental, and physical well-being are all potential threats.)
You can’t lose, really. But they can drown you in lawyer fees. Straight up, the letter of the law in usa we have some of the highest burdens of proof for showing defamation. You have to prove that not only the person knows they’re lying about something, but also that significant damage was done. You’ll find European countries have much lower bars.
I can’t believe one of the best hope to bring out the Epstein files and finally hit Trump where it hurts has to come from Marjorie Taylor fucking Greene. What a hopeless country…
If MTG and Massie are the only sources of that information, I would not count on it being reliable. I would not be surprised if their version of the Epstein files only included Democrats.
Yeah, this is the person who thought: fires out west, must be a space Lazer controlled by a Jewish weather cabal.
I don’t even know that someone could guess what she may be on about. Democrats, cabals, the actual files. There’s no telling what’s going on in that noggin, but I sure wouldn’t want to have to rely on it.
What’s going on is that MTG makes all her money from small dollar donations. This makes her money, lots of fucking money.
She gets money from anti Semites when she says things about Israel, she gets money from people that want the Epstein files out.
It’s all about the Benjamin’s.
All the people named should be investigated and prosecuted. Especially the sitting president.
they won’t do it though. They’ll see the names and get a phone call from the oval office and suddenly the announcement in congress will be “the names are Obama, Biden, Clinton, etc etc.”
Did anyone else read the “survivors at our press conference” like it was saying people had died at the press conference?
I did
the president did sortie air power.
the pilots should be ashamed of themselves.
You’re assuming they knew what they had been ordered to do had anything to do with this. I highly doubt they did. Odds are they didn’t even know the survivors were speaking at the time.
you might be surprised to hear this but people serving active duty are often REALLY UP TO FUCKING DATE ON THE NEWS because WHO THE FUCK KNOWS when Trump might have them blast another boat out of the water.
Times like this people in any kind of deployable capacity start paying real close attention to shit. Same with their spouses and kids.
I have zero fucking doubt they knew. They did their jobs.
They should be ashamed of themselves. Air power vs rape victims. THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED.
And all this was telegraphed, we knew he was going to try it.
Yeah I read it “survivors of our press conference” and remember the planes
When republicans do a better job than democrats of pursuing the Epstein list…What even are most democrats other than seat fillers and creating an illusion of choice?
That’s not actually true. Massie has been working with Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) on a house discharge petition that would require the White House to publicly disclose files and information related to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. It required 218 signatures in the House to force a vote. With every single Democrat signing the petition, they only needed 6 Republicans. They’ve got 4.
Massie and a couple other Republicans are on the right side of this, but credit should go to all of the Democrats in the house The vast majority of the House Republicans who have refused to sign it are all protecting Trump and Epstein’s other clients.
Massie who was the spearhead for that who is a republican so I don’t see what is there to celebrate democrats about.
This is a topic where if republicans say no then the public repercussions for them will be low to none but if a democrat says no then that person will likely be publicly ostracized (unlike the Israel vote where opinion is more divided and more than %50 of democrats happily voted no) and many people would automatically assume that the person is in the list and hence that is why they have voted no. So it is not a big success imo to get democrats on board and not a big sacrifice for a democrat to vote yes for this.
On the other hand, there has been definitely more than 4 republicans who have voiced protests over Epstein files not being released since this ordeal has started. It is again a failure of democrats that they could not help muster two more republican votes for this, if they have even tried that is.
On the other hand, there has been definitely more than 4 republicans who have voiced protests over Epstein files not being released…
Yet only four signed the petition to force the release. Fuck every other Republican no matter what they say in the the media. Who cares if they voiced protests? Talk is cheap. Sign the petition.
It is again a failure of democrats that they could not help muster two more republican votes for this
It’s a failure of the Democrats that they couldn’t force more than four Republicans to sign the petition? In what world are Republican actions the Democrat’s fault?
It is their failure that they are only doing the bare minimum they can, that is just saying yes to a republican started motion to release the Epstein files.
It’s not a Republican started motion. It’s a bi-partisan petition to force a House vote to order the Justice Department to release all the files. Every Democrat in the House has signed on. Only four Republicans have signed on. But somehow to you, that is Democrats doing the bare minimum. What exactly would you be doing in the House Democrat’s position? Be precise, please. What exactly would you do?
Thomas Massie by spearheading the petition is putting his ass on the line (unless on some deeper level this is just performative politics with results already predetermined) whereas Ro Khana at worst will get some pats on his back even if they lose. So cosponsoring or signing is not the same level of involvement as a republican masterminding this motion, to start with.
As to the issue of what can be done: At a very basic level, do you really believe that democrats have done a better job of keeping the drumbeat on the Epstein files? I would at best say they might be on par with republicans which is a shameful record given that %100 democrats are apparently for releasing the files where as a much less percent (perhaps %10) of he republicans are openly voicing their support. If 200 democrats create the same amount of noise that 20 republicans do, I have the right to suspect that they are just doing their bare minimum so that they (or their donors) don’t get implicated. They should be throwing all they have to identifying and using public and personal pressure points and giving political assurances. They only need two more fucking republicans on board with at least 20 already existing sympathetic to this cause. I don’t know what to call this if they can’t find something to counter Trump’s threats.
On the other hand, it has been
ninesix months since Trump took office and Massie’s was perhaps the only serious attempt to get the files released. Get this, one serious attempt masterminded by a republican, supported by a democrat. Bernie has filed more “Stop Arms Sales to Israel” motions in this period (all btw rejected by more than %70 of democrats and %100 of republicans). I know motions don’t mean anything when you don’t have majority but it can help keep the public pressure and help sway republicans who are on the fence.By the way you are reacting to me, I guess that you are imagining I was one of the people who said not to vote for democrats during elections. On the contrary I kept saying the opposite for months on end To me it was a very clear optimization problem with two outcomes one clearly worse than the other. But now the elections are over, democrats should be harshly criticised for their inaptitude or even for their performative politics so people don’t have to choose between hell and status quo (which is the pathway to hell) next time.
It’s democrats fault for not convincing Republicans that pedos are bad? Lmao
So, anybody who can stomach following politics closely, is this guy legit or is he just trying to one-up Trump due to personal grudges?
So Massie is probably being genuine here. Massie generally falls into the “libertarian” bucket, and the “tea party” bucket back when that existed.
Generally if you follow these ideologies you would view Trump as a complete shitbag of a person. Now he might be a useful shitbag and I think many so called “libertarians” probably see that. Although I think we’ve also seen many in Congress call him a shitbag and then turn around and lick his ass.
However another common trait is that these people are stubborn. That can be annoying if you’re trying to compromise and get things done. That can be adventagous if they have a genuine belief (assuming you agree with it).
In this case I think Massie wants the truth. Could he just collect and read a list of only Democrats, protecting Republicans? It’s possible. Do I think that will happen? Probably not.
I agree. He’s well liked in his district based on being relatively independent and courting libertarians. That said, he did endorse Trump, so he’s definitely a Republican, but if he takes a stand on something, he’s probably not going to 180 just because Trump didn’t like it.
