But different tones. From left to right is tones 1 2 3 4 5 6
And the thing is, I’m a native Cantonese speaker and I’m having trouble differentiating between tones 2 and 5 because its so similar… I always thought it was pronounced the same, but apparantly its supposed ti be slightly different, but my parents never corrected me so 🤷♂️
People can understand so that’s all it matters I guess…
@NorthWestWind@lemmy.world can you even tell the difference between tone 2 and tone 5? Cuz its almost the same to me. Like I always heard my parent say 歷史 and 超市 with the same “si”
And Logographic is just Chinese characters and idk any other Logographic ones… Hieroglyphs?
Basically the writing is separate from sounds. You can’t just sound out your word and spell it approximately, I can speak Cantonese and Mandarin, but I can’t “spell out” the characters, because its basically like a picture. I know what a cat looks like, for example, but I can’t draw a cat myself (since I haven’t written with pen and paper for like 15 years).
I can type it tho by the sound, and I can recognize the characters, just not use pen and paper to recall how to write it.
And that’s how people who speak mutually unintelligible dialects of Chinese can communicate through writing. The word (sound) may be different, but the written character is the same.
Every language has words that are almost the same sounds but not quite.
English speakers barely pronounce can and can’t differently. If you’re in a noisy place, or are not familiar with the accent of the speaker or got a flu and your ears are blocked or whatever else, you’ll have an extra bad time telling them apart. That’s normal. Just extra annoying that this particular example involves a particular meaning and the opposite of it, so context is not your friend.
The tone 2 and 5 difference is subtle. 5 goes not as high as 2. Most of the time people pronounce them lazily but I can figure it out from the context.
Tonal is like:
詩 史 試 時 市 是
(Poem, History, Try, Time, Market, Yes)
All use the same Jyutping: si
But different tones. From left to right is tones 1 2 3 4 5 6
And the thing is, I’m a native Cantonese speaker and I’m having trouble differentiating between tones 2 and 5 because its so similar… I always thought it was pronounced the same, but apparantly its supposed ti be slightly different, but my parents never corrected me so 🤷♂️
People can understand so that’s all it matters I guess…
Here’s a video example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b38H_ySiTd4
@NorthWestWind@lemmy.world can you even tell the difference between tone 2 and tone 5? Cuz its almost the same to me. Like I always heard my parent say 歷史 and 超市 with the same “si”
And Logographic is just Chinese characters and idk any other Logographic ones… Hieroglyphs?
Basically the writing is separate from sounds. You can’t just sound out your word and spell it approximately, I can speak Cantonese and Mandarin, but I can’t “spell out” the characters, because its basically like a picture. I know what a cat looks like, for example, but I can’t draw a cat myself (since I haven’t written with pen and paper for like 15 years).
I can type it tho by the sound, and I can recognize the characters, just not use pen and paper to recall how to write it.
And that’s how people who speak mutually unintelligible dialects of Chinese can communicate through writing. The word (sound) may be different, but the written character is the same.
Every language has words that are almost the same sounds but not quite.
English speakers barely pronounce can and can’t differently. If you’re in a noisy place, or are not familiar with the accent of the speaker or got a flu and your ears are blocked or whatever else, you’ll have an extra bad time telling them apart. That’s normal. Just extra annoying that this particular example involves a particular meaning and the opposite of it, so context is not your friend.
HEY MATE, CAN YOU PLEASE COME TO THE PARTY?
I CA’!±:-
OH COOL
I SAID I CA;(++;:-
OH SO YOU CAN’T? YEAH?
YEAH! THAT’S WHAT I SAID.
WELL YOUR LOSS
I SAID I WILL COME, DUDE
OH SHOOT. OK. SEE YOU THERE.
Use Affirmative and Negative like a bunch of soldiers lolz
The tone 2 and 5 difference is subtle. 5 goes not as high as 2. Most of the time people pronounce them lazily but I can figure it out from the context.