Not sure what to include or not, but I figure if you’re not on twitter you might have missed it.
Lots of very disturbing new stories and details coming out. Basically the entire western elite is in on it. Details about using war-torn countries to traffic children too. They wrote guides about these countries, openly talked in emails about “bringing back some children” from their visits there.
More names, including of course a lot of Trump. Some perpetrators are still redacted but people are finding them out. Elon Musk, his brother Kimball, and Bill Gates are in it too.
Moot (of 4chan) had contact with Epstein and met him several times. Possibility that 4chan was created by “Israel” to stoke the modern far-right movement. Of course there’s a lot of speculation and that’s the problem with twitter, the cracked theories are lumped in with the actual facts and it gets hard to tell what’s plausible or not. Lots of people want to get the views first so they find whatever they can and then form a theory even if they get facts wrong, just to be the first ones to get it.
An email from a redacted name saying they “are in China” dated last week of May 2009, and then “will be in the US for 2 weeks”. People are trying to find who it could be, so far possibilities include Gates or Nethanyahu. They should cross-reference with the US mention though.
Oh yeah and that motherfucker Chomsky, pissed be his name, is also in the latest round.
You know who’s not ANYWHERE in those files though? President of the goddamn People’s Republic of China, Mr. Xi Jinping.
On the one hand it’s nothing we didn’t already imagined, but seeing it laid out like this from victim statements and emails is something else.
Are communist parties doing anything with this? They should.
Several years ago I said after listening to a Media Roots Radio episode (maybe this one) that I seriously suspect that child molestation is probably a common phenomenon among the upper classes, and somebody on Reddit chimed in by mentioning that a similar culture exists in Singapore and South Korea. I’d be unsurprised if Epstein and his friends have been there before.
G-d, it’s hard to believe that this problem is systematic among the rich. You would think that it would only exist among a handful of them, but from what I understand, it is a lot more widespread than that.
Anyway, I need to be honest and say that I don’t have the stomach to dwell on this topic and that I would rather focus my attention on something else. I’ll just conclude by saying that the upper classes deserve bullets to their foreheads.
It was systemic among Russian aristocrats before the revolution. People rightly criticize Lenin and the Bolsheviks for their stance on homosexuality, but they forget what motivated it: the Bolsheviks were keen to stamp out elite pedophilia (“pederasty”), and they accepted the common medical opinion at the time that homosexuality and pedophilia were somehow linked. The most evident practitioners of non-traditional sex in pre-revolutionary Russia were not workers and peasants genuinely in love with each other, but Epstein-like aristocrats whom everybody knew were up to stuff behind closed doors.
Also, I never want to hear a liberal talk about Beria again.
Huh. I thought Lenin was cool about homosexuality. IIRC he was pretty progressive. He even banned corporal punishment.
Yeah, medical consensus has really evolved since. Nowadays the DSM and ICD say that pedophilia and pederasty aren’t linked, which I think explains the phenomenon of the elites being so into the latter, they’re simply abusing power and getting their dicks wet rather than having the attraction.
I hope I’ve gotten the history right. My understanding is that the Bolsheviks repealed the entire Tsarist legal code, which included prohibitions against (male) homosexuality, and didn’t make any laws on it one way or the other. This made homosexual relationships technically legal, but also, given the general conservatism of Russian culture at the time, put them in a kind of strange gray area, since many officials persisted in considering homosexuality bourgeois decadence and identical with pederasty. Then the government started regulating homosexuality much more strictly, as part of an effort to stamp out “bath-houses” and other illicit sexual entertainment venues that were causing a spread of venereal disease. Under Stalin, who got several things wrong despite being one of the greatest men in modern history, the ban on homosexuality was made explicit. It seems that Soviet psychology in the 1930s, being like all psychology of the time influenced by Freud, believed that fascism and homosexuality were heavily linked – i.e., if you’re that into guns and tight uniforms and virility and the inferiority of women, there’s clearly something phallic going on.
So it’s a mixture of bad science and trying to fix, without really knowing how, certain genuine social and medical problems. Along with homosexuality, abortion was made illegal, and divorce became harder to obtain. Kollontai, interestingly, actually campaigned for some of these “conservative” changes – not criminalization of homosexuality, but certainly banning abortion and tightening divorce laws. Soviet women’s organizations were behind them as well. Apparently there was a perception, I don’t know how justified, that some women were taking advantage of the loose divorce laws that existed in the early Soviet Union to “poach” mates, thus undermining the cohesion of local communes, and engaging in a type of social parasitism; if today, in our fairly liberal society, there exists a strata of conservative women who think that all other heterosexual woman are just temporarily embarrassed homewreckers, the perception can only have been stronger in a country just emerging from feudalism.
I think he’d get mad at you for saying that. I mean, I agree, but we need to take care not to fall into the trap of thinking he was behind everything the government he was in did, even the CIA doesn’t think that. But yeah, I think psychology really evolved since the 30s and I’m glad it did.
Do you have any readings, sources, etc; about this? I cannot seem to find anything about this online, atleast not in English. Seems like something very important that would explain why there was such a conservative atitude on sexuality in the USSR.
See reply to Orcinus above. I’m mostly just going off things I remember reading about Russian and Soviet history; I’ll try to put some sources here later.
This is my thing. Just how is it so common? Obviously they get legal and economic protection, but why child molestation specifically being so common and systemic?
Often with stuff like this it is about the power dynamics in play and they are the biggest between child and adult. I guess being at the upper class in this system means that you are at least to some degree susceptible to being power hungry and sadly these type of things become like an ultimate fantasy sort of thing. And because the people involved are so high in the chain of command they can (mostly) get away with it too.
It’s not just the rich, unfortunately.