I find this mildly infuriating, I only use Windows for work, I even personally purchased Windows 11. Local account and disabled as much as I could. I personally do not like Windows or Windows in general.
Well, now I do an update and they throw this up like I need to walk thru these steps (again). Not even a “Skip”/“Don’t remind me again”. Windows is not what it used to be and after disabling half the Microsoft stuff I’d expect not to be bothered again. It’s really a built in ad more then anything.
2023-08 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5029351)
So many comments shitting here and not giving helpful advice at all, so so fucking stupid. The best way to get ahead of this would be when the next time this pops up, press Shift + f10 and then type “OOBE\BYPASSNRO” easy and simple, takes only a few seconds and makes everything more seamless, such as no one drive bullshit etc…
Easy and simple
Dont forget to shit on linux afterwards for how difficult it is
Honestly I find constantly having to keep on top of disabling questionable windows features and bloat (knowing I’ve definitely missed something) more difficult and exhausting than just using linux. Linux feels way more “easy and simple” to me than windows ever has been.
I really didn’t think anything about linux before but the number of people on lemmy being so annoying about linux just makes me really dislike it.
Right? The top comments being people commenting just to laugh at the guy using windows on a work computer is grossing me out. They’re like the loud vegans for computers. Just like veganism I agree with a lot of it but the fan base (for lack of a better term atm sorry) is SO aggressively off-putting lol
Then delete system32 folder?
What are these instructions actually doing?
Idk how it works but if you type this on the console you will never get this window again.
press Shift + f10 and then type “OOBE\BYPASSNRO” easy and simple, takes only a few seconds
Not picking on you, that is actually really good advice and a neat shortcut I’ll be trying myself. I just think it’s funny all the reddit threads regarding Linux usage, someone will pop in with a simple commands to get whatever the user wants done quickly (Ex: Open the Console and type “sudo apt update” then “sudo apt upgrade” and you’ll be good!) and they get shit on with comments like “OMG! You have to Open a terminal to do anything! This is why Windowz rules and Linux is for fanboy dorks!!”
Btw, I dual boot.
I understand. I use Linux with dual boot myself and I know how great and free it feels to just use a terminal for everything. However, I cannot count how many times I have been frustrated when something just doesn’t work. Some software that doesn’t exist in apt is can be hard to install sometimes if you have to compile it yourself. And if you want to delete something that you didn’t install via apt?? Good luck with that. Linux doesn’t exist without its own problems. The use cases for both windows and Linux are very different. It doesn’t fit everybody
I believe this method was blocked. But it’s also not what the screen shot is. This is an update screen.
It worked on my machine. Also, why would they block it?? This specific command was definitely added by some Microsoft engineer, and not just for shits and giggles. There must have been some reason to add it in the first place, and certainly no reason to block it.
Sorry, missed your reply. I run the setup for Windows on a lot of computers. Last time I tried that command it wasn’t working. I used to be able to start the setup and once you got to the point of needing to sign in to a Microsoft account you could skip it. They removed that. Then this command you are talking about worked for a bit. Then removing the ethernet cable worked for a while, Microsoft closed that too. Currently I connect the machines to a network and attempt to log into an account, but mistype the password. This will give an error and allow a local account. Unfortunately these are machines for sale, so I can’t use a Microsoft account like they want. It’s a whole “thing”. However, if it’s your own machine, use Rufus to create a boot disk that will bypass the Microsoft account requirement.
Why would they block it? Because they want everyone to use a Microsoft account, and they have been getting more and more aggressive about it.
Edit: forgot to mention again, OP’s post image is from an update message and not initial Win 11 install. The command to skip the sign on is for OOBE, “out of box experience”. Aka initial setup.
For this screen not to come back, Settings notifications turn off the last three checkboxes
How did you learn this? Serious question, as I probably will be using Windows at whatever job I get. A huge part of what has made Linux so easy to learn is that there’s always documentation. There’s no secrets, even if it might be a lot of reading. Everything I learned about Windows I either bumbled my way into it or learned from someone else who was taught.
To be honest, you just have to Google things that you really want to fix. Genuinely just ask it how to make simple things simpler and you will find so much helpful stuff out there. If you feel some discomfort while using windows, know that there’s always a way to make something easier and simpler, you just have to find it
To be clear, I’ve been using Windows since I was literally in diapers [3]. Only this summer did I take the plunge and actually start using Linux as a daily driver. I generally know my way around a Windows system because of Googling things I don’t know.
My concern is because I have been using Windows as a “home” user, e.g. on non-enterprise systems, there’s going to be a whole bunch of stuff that I don’t know that I have no chance of finding unless I happen to know an experienced sysadmin.
IMO, Googling [1] things is often how I solve computer problems, but it’s a very strange way of working if you think about it. Shouldn’t our software tell us how to use it? At the bare minimum, software designed for use by the general public, including those who aren’t familiar with computers
It’s a bit of a strange response, “go to company A for information about company B’s products”. And yet, it is the response I unfortunately have to choose time and time again because Microsoft is too protective of their secrets, including apparently how to use their OS. Microsoft, who as a reminder is a business trying to convince me to keep buying their product, should be the primary source of information about their product.
Microsoft does have some online support, but they don’t have it at the level of detail that Linux does. What has really amazed me about Linux is that the various developers actually tell you how to use their software [2]. If there’s something not in the manual, they probably don’t know enough about it to have finished the documentation. In those scenarios, you can go make an issue on GitHub. As complicated as Linux has been to learn, it’s been a lot less “Google [1] it” and a lot more “read the docs”.
If you feel some discomfort while using Windows, know that there’s always a way to make something easier and simpler, you just have to find it
Well…no, actually. For example, if I want to replace the user interface, you cannot do that. You can change it cosmetically, and there are a few registry entries you can fiddle with, but if you want to throw out the whole thing and use a completely different desktop environment, you’re out of luck. I installed my copy of Debian with KDE Plasma, but I also installed LXDE as an option for the rare cases when I need all 16GB of my RAM. I also tried out XFCE and LXQT to give them their fair shake. The default for Debian is actually GNOME, which I knew from prior experience was not for me. Actually, I wouldn’t use a system where the only option is GNOME, so the freedom to choose a desktop environment (or none at all; e.g. window managers or the command line for the brave) was a precondition to my adoption of Linux.
Every single part of my system can be swapped out for something else. Even the kernel need not be “pure” Linux. For example, I do a lot of real-time audio computing, so I’ve been “shopping for” the best kernel for real-time audio. There are a few patched kernels specifically for real-time applications, although the default Linux kernel is quite good.
This is far from the only area where Windows locks you into a choice. Actually, it’s a lot worse than that; Windows (more accurately Microsoft) continues to lock me into choices because I have to limit my choices to those that work with Windows installations. They could add Linux compatibility to their systems (because the whole ecosystem is open source, they don’t need to reverse-engineer anything; just copy the Linux stuff!), but they choose not to do so, and instead insist on proprietary formats.
[1] I don’t use Google search anymore. IMO the only use case for Google search is when you are somehow required to use it. In the example above, I would never allow company A to be Google, because based on Google’s history it is clear that Google ought not exist. I often allow company A to be DuckDuckGo or an amalgamation of stripped results from SearXNG, but even then I think that the usage of company B’s products should be the domain of company B.
[2] It’s not perfect, but systematically it seems like more than an attempt has been made to document the various FOSS software components. For example, some of the more obscure KDE software have holes in the docs, which I have actually been running up against in the past few days. The rest of the KDE software has excellent documentation, and if you’re a Plasma user, it’s probably already on your computer. Remember, this is coming from a largely volunteer development force; compare that with the power and professional workforce of Microsoft.
[3] I have worked and played in every non-enterprise Windows OS from Windows 95 to Windows 10. I have used Windows 11 a handful of times but I’m not very familiar with it, besides the baseline familiarity that comes from working with NT systems in general.
What’s your point here? If you want to argue with me about semantics then I absolutely could not care less about it. Yes of course you can’t change shit, because windows is designed this way. It’s made this way for people who don’t know how to do things be able to easily Google their problem and find a step by step solution that is almost certain to work since windows ui doesn’t change a lot. Also, at this point googling is a popular verb which means “searching shit on the internet”. Use whatever browser you want, I use brave search and searx from my distro. Congratulations on successfully shitting on windows, like everybody else in this thread.
Of course Linux is better for most intents and purposes, but that’s entirely not the fucking point here. The point here is how to use windows better? With all the shit Microsoft does? And the answer is you search it on the internet, it’s just how it is and complaining about it and saying Linux does it better does not change anything.
If you have a problem in windows, for example one of the things I was really annoyed about in win11 was that whenever I searched something on the task bar, an internet result would pop up that will open bing on edge. I didn’t want that so I googled it (searched on the internet with brave search) and turns out that you can add a registry my that can disable all web searches from the taskbar! So Yay one annoyance fixed. There are hundreds of things like that which you can just search and figure out a way to disable a shit Microsoft thing or bypass it.
What I had originally meant was that in general, you can control a lot behind the scenes in windows, even if you can’t see it up front. You can shit on it all you want but being toxic to people and telling them to install Linux is obviously not the way to go. Gatekeeping is for idiots. Use what you want to use, do what you think is best for you, and I do what is best for me. From time to time I do use windows to play some games that don’t work on Linux yet, or use some software that doesn’t support Linux and I don’t want to spend hours trying to figure out how to install there. It’s efficient for me and that’s how I keep it.
Windows is terrible at a lot of things, and Linux is terrible at a lot of things too but those things are completely different and it is no use to compare as everyone’s needs are different. There is no one size fits all, there never will be.
I’ll give that a try, thank you.
Yeah just a bunch of Linux nerds on their high horse feeling smug. This attitude actively pushes people away from your platform, not towards it. If you want more people to use Linux the first step is NOT acting like a smug dick about it.
Exactly, the one thing you cannot do is force someone to move to Linux. They eventually do it on their own when they get tired of being shit on by Microsoft, or just see in general that yeah! This specific thing is gonna make my life so much easier! That’s why I did it and I understand why people wouldn’t want to switch to it, there’s nothing that we can do about it
I wonder whether the developers who wrote this script, did it in order to avoid these annoying messages by themselves
thanks!
Remind me in 3 days. That shit should be against the law. There should be a don’t bug me ever again option.
“Why are you upset? We gave you a choice.”
We can bitch all we want but their dollars still go up
And those dollars need to go up so those who invest get returns. And you are an idiot if you don’t invest your money, what kind of loser doesn’t invest their money? Don’t you want your dollars to go up?
Line goes up!
Line goes up - the rich get richer.
Line goes down - people lose their jobs.
That’s actually a good thing IMO, Microsoft is giving people more reasons to switch to Linux. How kind of them!
It would not help. They just buy a Chromebook instead because there are no other alternatives in the shop. It would be a different story if the thing when you start the new computer get a guide to choose your OS to use. Even better if Android was the same. EU should force this IMO.
ah yes the non-idealistic idealist, i always admired your kind
Eh, this particular screen is kind if misleading. You say you dont see a “skip” or “do not remind again” button, well that’s because those buttons are on the next screen(s) for each individual feature. I’ve gotten this screen a couple times, just click through and you can skip/opt out of all the features. It’s kind of silly, but I think the point is that they want you to look at each new feature individually.
Yeah, but nothing here would be considered as a “new feature” and each is an ad for a product that OP chose not to use during initial install. As such, s/he shouldn’t be reminded of them, especially not during an OS update and certainly not with an unskippable window. Yes, s/he has the option to skip each feature individually later, but this initial window is either a “remind me later” or a “do it now”.
To get into specifics of each item:
OneDrive has been around forever.
If OP customized his/her browsing experience, s/he clearly doesn’t want “Microsoft recommended browser settings” (which, by the way, is Edge with Bing search and with all telemetry turn on high).
365 has been around for a while, and this thing is pushing the subscription (by definition, an ad for a paid product).
Windows Phone app isn’t new, either.
Microsoft Hello has been around for about as long as Windows Phone app and features.
Then this screen itself is misleading, because it gives no indication that you don’t need to do the stuff. It should have the X to close the screen, like every other window that isn’t malware.
It should have the X to close the screen, like every other window that isn’t malware.
In other words, it’s designed exactly as intended.
Go to Settings > System > Notifications. Turn off the last three check boxes. This screen won’t come back.
Through the door with the sign “Beware of the Leopard”.
You can prevent this. Click remind later then go to your notifications in the settings app. Uncheck “Suggest ways I can finish setting up” and anything else you don’t want to see.
I love that I have to go out of my way and follow online instructions to undo something that they forced on me in the first place. That’s customer antagonistic design for you.
Alternatively: You can prevent this. Use a different operating system.
This is the best option, I like Fedora
You meant GNU/Linux.
GNU/BSD or GNU/HURD would be fine, too. Or even something like ReactOS or Haiku, for that matter.
The important thing is that the OS respects you as the owner of the computer and does what you tell it to do, instead of trying to subvert your authority to serve a master other than yourself (e.g. the OS publisher or third-parties that want to colonize your property for their own benefit).
“No thanks, I’d rather complain that Microsoft advertising their other services in a totally configurable setting which I can disable is the same as the entire OS literally being an ad.”
Why do we have to take more time to disable this shit? We are not all.made of unlimited time. And yes “it only takes a few seconds”. Every time something like this shows up the seconds add up
Windows users are in an abusive relationship. It’s sad, but not unexpected, that some make excuses for their abuser.
Meanwhile when someone doesn’t want to switch to Linux or Firefox…
“Just install seventeen extensions bro, why do you need tab stacking anyways? It’s worth it to be FOSS to take three weeks to get your Arch install just the way you like it.”
You absolutely have the time, you just want to bitch.
If you hate being used by Windows so much, you really should try an alternative, unless you’re a professional that uses software that just can’t run on Linux at all, chances are you can get most of what you use a computer for working fine. In return you get freedom, privacy, choice, performance.
Or if you hate it but are too reluctant to change for whatever reason, that’s totally fine, but just say that. Don’t spread misinformation about Linux.
It’s worth it to be FOSS to take three weeks to get your Arch install just the way you like it.
Literally no one ever says this. Just use Fedora. Almost completely seamless. There’s a KDE version if you want to have the same workflow as windows without configuring anything. You don’t have to use firefox, brave or ungoogled chromium are FOSS too.
Slow it down a notch, I already use Nobara on two machines and have a steam deck running SteamOS. I’m all for open source, but the “why does windows show me annoying plebian features by default, it’s SOOOOOO horrible I have to look through and disable them manually it takes so mich time” feels kind of trite when meanwhile people complain about the time sink in learning a Linux install (even a PnP distro) is hand waived away as not a commitment.
It just feels hypocritical, like a huge blind spot in the community. They claim Windows is so hard to deal with on the most minor shit.
It’s not just about the inconvenience though. Windows is paid. It’s at least 100 bucks. It’s not even “free but you are the product” like Google drive or whatever. Yet it still abuses you, controls you and exploits you, and you have to do tons of workarounds for it to not get in your way. Most of them are always temporary, as a new update reenables everything again or directly circumvents the workaround you used.
If you are locked into the ecosystem, then I do agree that it’s annoying that people think moving to Linux is seamless. It wasn’t for me, it even cost me money since I had to buy an AMD gpu for things to work well + another GPU to passthrough to a windows VM and still use Clip Studio. But if someone only uses their computer for things that can be done seamlessly on Linux, and they genuinely dislike and are against all the bullshit Windows always does, it’s worth it to tell them there is a viable alternative, and what they heard about “you have to use the command line for everything meaningful!” or “everything breaks all the time!” hasn’t been true for years.
I guess I found the secret button to disable it, then. Because I haven’t had a single ad or bloatware style notification in a long time on my desktop. I’m sorry I just really think it’s overblown and basically a meme at this point.
I’ve had a lot of success with Nobara, it’s why I put it on my old recycle pile laptop from my last job. Not only does it just work from the get go but it has a lot of built in functionality for things like discord and game launches that I’d prefer not to spend hours messing around with on a Debian or Arch install.
Windows is actually right back where it used to be, to be honest. Getting pretty tired of the whole “ecosystem” tech philosophy.
Local account and disabled as much as I could
2023-08 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems
Why are you running updates for beta testers, if you decided to disable as much as you could? Those “Preview” updates will install everything you’re missing and more every time, that’s their purpose.
Switch to stable updates only, and you won’t have that problem… or at least have it way less often.
They will definitely still have the problem.
PEBKAC error for sure
I literally do not have anything extra turned on, including the Insider Program has always been off. Other then automatic updates, so your guess is as good as mine as why “Preview” updates or otherwise would be pushed. It’s not that I’m enrolled in beta or anything.
The thing that really rubs me the wrong way about all this is we pay for Windows, I have 3 licenses for Windows 11 and it’s gotten so annoying that I don’t even use them anymore. I’ve been a Linux user for quite a while already and between Microsoft’s doing more and more data collection, and more ads, I just walked away from it a couple years ago. Fortunately, I was in a position where I could do so. I feel bad for folks that must use Windows for this or that and can’t escape it.
You just have to pick your poison. Windows is easy to use. I don’t want a walled garden ios machine, nor do I want to spend 2 hours on a forum trying to troubleshoot every little thing on Linux.
I have used both Windows and Linux extensively, and although Linux used to be a serious amount of nonsense to get stuff to work, it’s not like that any more. I spend similar amounts of time troubleshooting on each. Help for Linux sometimes is better. If you end up on the Microsoft answers forum, good luck to you, because it means the real answer is buried somewhere on the Internet, if it’s there at all.
Agree , ubuntu, mint and popos are just works distros with max number of apps available , flatpak ( tho controversial in the linux community) has also given good option for just works distros to be user friendly ! My non technical family members have been using linux for years now without any issues !
That’s not really how Linux is now. At least not Ubuntu varieties
If I had a dollar for everytime someone said Linux isn’t bad now is be living on Mars.
What you’re really saying is your needs are simple and you’ve managed to get what you need.
This does not translate to everyone as others might have more complex needs than you.
TrackIR is still a nightmare on Linux, and searching for help with that reveals about 10 situations where no one got a good result and one person who seemingly got lucky.
Another issue is MS Office. Formatting and macros get broken by FOSS alternatives so don’t even go there.
There are at least a dozen more issues (NVIDIA, difficult hardware etc …).
Suffice to say everytime someone pops up saying it works now just starts looking silly.
Until we get native support and better documentation and testing Linux is still an outlier for anything more than basic productivity or gaming in a bubble.
maybe I’m naive but I have a hard time believing msoffice macros are a major part of most business’ workflows. any serious application is going to be working in a scripting language from a database. if you’re still dependent on Ms office macros your business needed to retool a decade ago.
I can’t speak to the other ”problems” you detailed, but if the msoffice complaint is any indication, I strongly recommend you find a new company and fast.
All it has to do is affect one person that needs that feature and it’s a no go for that person.
It is rare for me but it is still an issue.
Formatting being broken is an even worse issue and happens far too often.
Lotta words to say you support windows and fear other oses
comments like these are why the linux userbase is both its best and worst feature.
I’m not sure who’s more obnoxious, a vegan or a linux user.
It’s not surprising that someone who clearly hates vegans would say the same shit about Linux. You’re basically the type that’s mad at people who think. How many times have you called someone a “college boy”? A non zero amount I’d imagine
I don’t hate vegans, I hate the sense of superiority that majority (but not all) of them seem to have. Instead of trying to find common ground and talking about the issue, they alienate themselves from others. You’re exhibiting exactly that behavior.
And for what it’s worth, I don’t think I’ve ever used the phrase “college boy”.
As a Linux user I can tell you that I run into plenty of issues no matter what distro I use. I still prefer it over windows.
Exactly this. Tried Linux mint a while but everything was a hastle for me as a new user. Every program I wanted to install had a different method to do so. I ended up not much using the laptop where I installed it on. A pity, I love alternative software.
Windows is bullshit
Just upgrade back to Windows 10.
Windows 10 has this same screen, just a bit different looking. You turn off this notification in the settings menu.
Is that even possible? I thought it was randomly forcing the change to Windows 11 on Windows 10 users anyway.
I’ve been using AtlasOS, which is Windows 10 disemboweled from a bunch of bloat. It runs like a dream, my only criticism is that they’ve gutted a bunch of (imo) critical safety features, but they give you the option to reinstate them in their setup files. The next update for it will supposedly add them back in by default.
Excuse me wait ? How is that possible ? Is that like a moddes OS ?
They basically take the Windows install image that’s freely available from Microsoft, and they strip all the garbage from it.
https://docs.atlasos.net/troubleshooting/removed-features/
Some of the features they remove are normally included for good reason, like Microsoft Defender and UAC. These OS mods are not meant for people who have no tech knowledge. I wouldn’t install this on my mother’s computer, for example.
My PC cant run windows 11 outright, which is hilarious since most of the parts are relatively new.
I always laugh that the option not to get Microsoft 365 is just “Stay Basic”
That means Microsoft 365 is an acid. Because avoiding acids is how you stay basic.
Or you could be neutral, why do neutrals always get oppressed
I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
Windows is nagware now. Microsoft dared to imagine an entire OS on the Winrar model.
Its actually worse than that. I PAID for Windows. If I paid for WinRAR they would stop.
Well WinRAR only nags you when you use it, unlike windows that is always running and almost always nagging.
If you stop using Windows, it also stops nagging you.
I have but for this PC, and only due to game pass not working nice on Linux (I like to play games with old friends far away)
I understand. If you don’t already know it, you can look up here if your games would work on Linux: https://www.protondb.com/
I game on Linux but my friends on xboxs, proton does not come into it sadly.
Don’t you compare windows to that time honoured and helpful software. WinRAR knows when to quit, and is free
Laughing from Debian
