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And this is the kind of shit that happens when the right are put in power. Fuck people yay money.
Disgusting.
So they can decide what’s good for your body except for abortions? It’s incredible how people values are so fluid. They might as well say that everything the right does is evil and wrong.
Everything the right does is evil and wrong.
They should be called the pretty good and mostly evil sides if we were being honest. But no one wants to openly support the mostly evil side. (strangely there are a very large group of silent right supporters too what’s that about? )
I think that’s the type of reasoning that leads to communism and famines. Politicians are known to steal agenda items from the other side. I think it’s really stupid to oppose good measures just because they are not coming from your tribe.
I get a choice what I can and can’t do with my body? Sign me up I guess.
The thing is, if you smoke outdoors, you are violating people’s right to live in an clean environment and breathe fresh air. I don’t care if you fuck yourself up in your own house, but the moment smokers smoke outside of their own homes, they are messing with the liberties of all other citizens.
Are they making smoking outdoors illegal?
You must really hate woodstoves and fire pits. Wait till you hear about internal combustion engines!
All of those things serve a purpose. What purpose does smoking tobacco have?
And those are banned in many places, except for engines, but there are changes in that department, too
Edit: I was wrong about the ban
Citation needed.
Good point, I found out to be wrong: https://emoffgrid.com/woodstove-ban/
There will be no ban on wood-burning stoves in the United States, United Kingdom, and European Union.
They do try to minimize the air pollution by allowing only specific stoves and fuel, but there is no ban. Sorry for misinformation
Smokers are a drain on the medical system
Should being a drain on the medical system be a crime?
Obesity is the number one drain on the medical system by 10 fold over smokers. It’s the number one cause of death western nations now. Increased cancers/disease and chronic illness, plus a whole host of other things. Smokers are already disappearing because it’s been a taboo in society for a long time now. The next generation isn’t smoking anymore.
Also alcohol is on the rise as well.
I think vice taxes are a great tool to discourage behavior that affects public health but we need to increase them.
However it’s a lot harder to create a vice tax on food. It would be great to make poor food choices more expensive than better choices but I don’t see how you can draw clear lines, nor be effective. For example this obese person doesn’t eat much junk or overly processed food so even if you could clearly define junk food, a vice tax wouldn’t help
Ok, but what about those of us who enjoy pipe tobacco or cigars or any other form of smoking? It’s not killing us like the 6 pack a day guy…so why are we included in the ban? 99% of obese people aren’t eating healthy… they’re drinking a 2 liter of coke a day and eating fast food non stop. They’re the pack of day smokers…so you’re logic would apply to them as well…
As someone who enjoys a good microbrew once in a while, or a smooth single malt, I would be affected by a higher alcohol tax but still think it’s a good idea. I like to think I’m responsibly enjoying my vice and I spend more on it to reach higher quality, but I still recognize it’s a vice. Realistically I’d grumble but not change my habits because I don’t use it very often
You would be the exception to the rule. People would be pissed if it cut further into their purchasing power because of a high tax on alcohol. So while I applaud your willingness to take on a higher tax because you don’t drink often, many others would not be so willing.
Depends statistically they die earlier and of relatively quick diseases. Combined with a life time of paying steep taxes to ingest poison, usually they tend to be a net positive for the state (coldly put).
Lol except women right? Oh and trans people.
Women and trans can’t do what they want with their body?
Shouldn’t this read, “New conservative NZ government scraps…”?
It’s for money, so it’s OK.
My bad.
National speed running worst govt.
I mean, trying to get rid of smoking is admirable, but completely banning a drug has historically not often ended well, because it forces those who ended up addicted underground, and creates opportunity for organized crime to profit from their production.
sure but this is for people that were born after 2009. If enough 14yos have smoked to justify your argument humanity is doomed anyway
Many of the smokers I’ve known started smoking at that age or younger. When I was at school there was a playground back market for cigarettes.
Banning cigarettes for younger people now won’t stop that. Just as banning cannabis for everyone doesn’t stop those who want to smoking it.
Many of the younger people in my family now however don’t want to smoke. There has been a significant shift in cultural and health attitudes against tobacco consumption, without a ban being required.
It’s not a temporary measure though I imagine? If someone born after 2009 gets ahold of some illegal cigarettes a few years from now (I definitely remember some high schoolers when I went to school that smoked, despite being under the legal age at the time) and gets addicted, then the issue still arises. People end up addicted to illegal drugs all the time.
If that was their reasoning: fine, but it isn’t.
They actually, out loud, said they need the tax revenue to fund top bracket tax cuts.
Ex smoker here, who is very against smoking as practice. I am also against the complete ban because it makes no sense whatsoever to be for the legalization of cannabis and other drugs but to also be for banning smoking. If I support one, I cannot support the other. I support drug legalization, so I can’t support a smoking ban.
I don’t think any recreational drugs should be branded or advertised. It should be very factual what you are getting and that’s it. I think tobacco should still be available from tobacconists only, which can be state run because it’s unlikely to be profitable otherwise. I’m for complete legalisation of everything but I think the smoke free generation is a great and noble idea.
It conflicts but I’m not a machine ,I see that tobacco is the most readily available addictive substance in the world, responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths and I can just thumbs up a law that removes it as an opportunity without impacting those who are addicted and don’t want to quit.
Caffeine is the most readily available addictive substance in the world, I think.
It’s “addictive” in the sense that you can develop tolerance, cravings, and withdrawal symptoms, but I’ve never heard of anyone being sent to rehab because their coffee habit was wrecking their life. Even pure caffeine just isn’t potent enough to hijack your brain’s reward system the way harder drugs can.
IMHO the word “addiction” really only applies when you feel so compelled to keep engaging in a problematic behavior that you can’t stop even when you know it’s hurting you.
I don’t think any recreational drugs should be branded or advertised.
Wine snobs, beer snobs, whisky snobs, and weed snobs would really hate that. And sommeliers would be having panic attacks.
I’m a beer snob, but banning beer is actually a good idea. It’s just too unhealthy for you
Marijuana at least has medicinal use though, right? I mean, it’s not 100% the same.
Tobacco has some very legit medical uses.
I’m not for banning tobacco. But as you can see, these medicinal uses are not the same as those for Marijuana, and even if they were, I wouldn’t be aghast if kids stole tobacco leaves from the hospital and rolled joints with the.
I’m also not for banning tobacco. Not sure how anyone would think I am from what I said, but apparently that’s the interpretation.
We all understand that. The link you provided doesn’t really show a wide amount of medicinal value. Some value, sure. A lot? No.
So? I didn’t claim it cured cancer, just that it had some use as opposed to no use. What do you people want?
Also, is it just cigarettes or also cigars and pipe tobacco? I know people that, after the ‘flavored cigarette’ ban here, switched to flavored cigarillos or whatever. Just moved someone to a worse product.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
New Zealand’s new government will scrap the country’s world-leading law to ban smoking for future generations to help pay for tax cuts – a move that public health officials believe will cost thousands of lives and be “catastrophic” for Māori communities.
National has had to find new ways to fund its tax plan, after its coalition partner, New Zealand First, rejected a proposal to let foreign buyers back into the property market.
“Coming back to those extra sources of revenue and other savings areas that will help us to fund the tax reduction, we have to remember that the changes to the smoke-free legislation had a significant impact on the Government books – with about $1bn there.”
But public health experts have expressed shock at the policy reversal, saying it could cost up to 5,000 lives a year, and be particularly detrimental to Māori, who have higher smoking rates.
Te Morenga highlighted recent modelling that showed the regulations would save $1.3bn in health system costs over the next 20 years, if fully implemented, and would reduce mortality rates by 22% for women, and 9% for men.
“This move suggests a disregard for the voices of the communities most affected by tobacco harm – favouring economic interests,” said chief executive Jason Alexander.
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I have never smoked in my life, but I am one hundred percent against the government deciding that I am not permitted to take up the habit should I choose. Seriously, fuck you.
