Stolen from Deltachat
Lol, is this meme for real? Most mac users would never touch Linux. Like, yes, they are both based on Unix… But come on now, this is just intellectually dishonest.
Most Mac users, in my experience, have no idea how to operate anything without an apple logo on it.
Linux users are in the (well constructed) tent camp in the local park that Mac users ride their electric scooters past while desperately trying to avoid eye contact.
Linux users are the homeowners who build and fix everything they can, but look down on people that don’t find craftsmanship fun, claiming that they’re saving money by doing the work themselves. Good on you for having that hobby, but if you don’t enjoy it, spending time to learn those skills costs time that could be spent earning more money than you’d save. Paying an expert to do things you don’t enjoy is usually the cheaper option. They can be found almost anywhere, similar to how Linux users use Apple or windows products from time to time.
Mac users are suburb dwellers who view their way of life as what everyone should aspire to, ignorant to the downsides of sprawl and reliance on cars to go anywhere. Commute times suck, while walkable neighborhoods with public transit make most people healthier and happier. There’s an important classist component, often bundled with racism, that underscores this ideal.
Windows users are people that live in urban areas for work, trying to find reasonable rent or home prices as unchecked capitalism makes everything worse, but unaware why things suck. They get annoyed when people share their passion for handiwork, and dislike suburban folks for thinking they’re superior rather than the downsides to suburban life. However, because most people live this way, and live this way for work, they usually don’t have strong identities like suburbanites or handy homeowners.
Homeless people are those who can’t afford computers, overlapping with actual homeless people, and rural people are those that don’t use computers more than they need to, socializing face to face and literally touching grass.
This is a very interesting analogy, thanks for sharing
Thanks, Jessica.
They’re totally, definitely, absolutely not Jessica!
I think it still works. The user you describe doesn’t care about Linux, they just don’t like windows. So they would not wash their hands
A lot of software development in a corporate environment is using a Mac as the host. Not to say it’s the target build env. So id say some Mac users know Linux far better than you think. In my experience.
Some, that’s the point
Where i work, we all use macs. I’m the only developer and all others are designers.
They all look at me very oddly, when i open a terminal on their Mac and change some settings from there. They check if my changes are working and still keep that look, like if I’ve done something strange to their mac lol
Generally I agree, but specifically a little fact - the most qualified person at my work is a Mac user.
My Mac is such a slow piece of shit on Mac OS that it’s nearly unusable without installing Linux.
Sorry but as a Linux user I found that Windows is better than macos. Macos doesn’t even have proper window management.
My experience is the same, but still it’s a Unix-like system. People who fear Linux may do Unix-like things with it. It’s worth something.
Yeah, but none of the system tools and applications follow Unix-like paradigms, so it’s really only Unix-like in name. Sure you can launch a bash or zsh shell, but there aren’t a lot of useful things you can do with that without installing a bunch of third party tools like brew, so the experience isn’t all that different from having to install Cygwin or WSL in Windows.
Yeah, but none of the system tools and applications follow Unix-like paradigms,
Eh, WTF? It has normal Unix-like userland tools.
but there aren’t a lot of useful things you can do with that without installing a bunch of third party tools like brew
You can’t do much without a package manager under Linux either.
Homebrew, macports, pkgsrc etc are all just ports collections, like the FreeBSD one. A pretty Unixy kind of thing to use, more so than apt or yum.
I hate Apple GUI, but technically it’s almost as good as Linux to use.
Eh, WTF? It has normal Unix-like userland tools.
You don’t understand what I mean.
I mean that you can’t really do much with those userland tools to effectively manage and configure your system. All configuration is abstracted away in a forest of xml files (i.e.
/Library/Preferences) that’s as opaque and undocumented as the Windows registry and which you’re not supposed to touch other than with the approved GUI tools.MacOS applications never follow Unix principles either regarding file placement.
So yeah while MacOS technically still is “Unix”, it really is a giant monolithic blob of shite built on top of the skeleton of what once was a decent Unix.
You don’t understand what I mean.
Well, you haven’t been very specific with your language.
All configuration is abstracted away in a forest of xml files (i.e. /Library/Preferences) that’s as opaque and undocumented as the Windows registry and which you’re not supposed to touch other than with the approved GUI tools.
It’s been some time since I touched MacOS, but there is a CLI tool for editing those preferences. Not unlike gconf. Actually gconf is apparently inspired by that and the Windows registry you so conveniently mentioned.
Not that I’m a fan, quite the opposite.
MacOS applications never follow Unix principles either regarding file placement.
“Unix principles” is the same as “Unix philosophy”, while you apparently mean Linux FHS. Yes, it’s understandably ignored. Yes, maybe it shouldn’t be.
So yeah while MacOS technically still is “Unix”, it really is a giant monolithic blob of shite built on top of the skeleton of what once was a decent Unix.
Well, see, comparing FreeBSD to Linux with its development path, for example, you might feel as if Linux was slowly moving in that direction as well. Linux users usually laugh at that sentiment and say that it’s evolution. So - MacOS too has what its developers considered evolution from what Linux/FreeBSD/… have.
Ah, also X11 is not that integral and traditional for Unix, if you imply that as well. Sun had its SunView in the olden days. There were other windowing systems.
Windows doesn’t even have a proper terminal lol
At least when I open up Mac OS, it doesn’t show me a pop up ad telling me how XBOX CONTROLLERS COME IN SO MANY COLORS NOW click here to buy.
I’ve gotten that pop up the last 3 times I’ve booted up my windows machine.
Windows is great for gaming. But it’s the only thing I turn that machine on for.
I have never ever seen this on my windows install.
Just disable everything I don’t get this on my pc
The very first thing you have to do when you start to use a new Windows or phone is to spend an hour or two disabling all the bullshit options.
I’m also surprised that people see this kind of ads: I haven’t seen any since I removed Outlook free (after Windows prompted me to switch because the older UWP Mail app was being retired). I’m always surprised when people complain about the number of ads they get in Windows.
But that’s not the point: the point is no paid software should contain any ad.
Me either. Not that I’m advocating this BS practice!
Not that I condone that notification, as I equally hate it too, but if you right-click it, you can tell Windows to never show those notifications ever again. I haven’t gotten one since doing that.
It’s still shitty, nonetheless, and I still fucking hate Windows. Only use it because I have to for work and gaming, for the most part.
If you can’t even find the option to disable suggestions, can you even call yourself a computer expert?
No, but you can call yourself a gamer.
Missing the third hand for Windows users
MacOS is still Unix under the hood, and has been since they adapted NeXTSTEP.
Maybe it’s just because I’m fundamentally more of a console user than a windowing-system user, but to me a Unix-based OS is always going to be a winner compared to Windows.
But, if you want to laugh at OSes, laugh at classic MacOS, where everything would grind to a halt if you clicked and held the mouse button.
This. I’m not sure why more people don’t know this, but macOS is actually UNIX certified. Linux isn’t.
Well, GNU stands for Gnu is Not Unix, so…
Yes, I know. That’s why it’s always kinda funny when you see Linux users shitting on MacOS for not being UNIX enough for their taste.
Linux isn’t Unix, it’s Unix-like
And that’s part of what I like about it. I know how to operate in the terminal and it’s the same in all Unix OSes.
It’s one of the reasons I absolutely hate Windows. Nearly every OS uses some form of Unix. Android is Linux, iOS is based on XNU which is FreeBSD, macOS is also XNU, Linux is unix-like, all BSDs are Unix, even the OS used in the PS4 is FreeBSD and thus Unix. Windows is the only thing that’s different.
Windows after hearing this:
Nah, Windows always does that on its own. No intervention required.
Maybe it’s just because I’m fundamentally more of a console user than a windowing-system user, but to me a Unix-based OS is always going to be a winner compared to Windows.
I absolutely agree
But, if you want to laugh at OSes, laugh at classic MacOS
Or some weird old Unixes like AIX
Yeah, but at least they’re unixes (unices?).
Eunuchs
No, we’re not talking about the users. (And the polite term is incel.)
I figured it was more a voluntary thing for this group. A voncel if you will.
I think Unices would be correct, if it works like “appendix” etc…
Or it could be “Unixes”, as in “prefixes”, or “crucifixes”.
English is a weird language.
Yeah, apparently you need to know the origin of the word to know how to pluralize it.
One octopus, two octopuses. But you can also say “octopodes” because the elements used to create the word are originally Greek (okto for 8, pous for foot), and that’s how Greek words get pluralized. But, although it was based on Greek elements it was never used in Ancient Greek. It was a modern Latin word, created in the 1700s as a scientific term using those Greek elements. As a Latin word, the “us” ending should be pluralized with “i”, so “octopi” (which is one of the oldest known pluralizations of the word). But, it’s an English word, and the proper way to pluralize an English word ending in “us” is to tack on “es”.
So, you can go with “octopodes”, “octopi” or “octopuses” and have an argument why any of them is correct.
For Unix, since it’s a word created in English, it’s probably “unixes”. To claim it’s “unices” you’d have to pretend that “unix” is a Latin word, which it isn’t, and never was, but “ix” is a common declension pattern in Latin, and an uncommon ending in English, so it’s fun to pretend it’s a Latin word and doesn’t get pluralized normally.
Gotta scrub off the .DS_Store
Ehh, I’m not sure. In my experience, apple users are too tech illiterate to have any opinions on windows, not even incorrect ones.
I got haggled for being a macos user in college because, “pc was superior”. Turns out, that the CompSci people that gave me shit about my Mac, didn’t understand the difference between “PC” and "Windows’. My MacBook is still the best laptop I’ve ever owned. It literally survived having beer being pulled into it’s fan, and it’s battery turned into a balloon long ago… it still runs fine, almost a decade later (if I keep it plugged in). I was “tech illiterate” to people because I used a MacBook. But switching from windows to mac, got me comfortable with trying linux. It got me comfortable with being uncomfortable, because I was constantly trying to figure out how to “get this to work on macos”
I’ve met a lot of tech-illiterate people over the years… and they all gave me less shit about trying something different.
I don’t use arch btw
Well, “tech illiterate” is relative. Some people may be ignorant of how their desktop works, but do wonderful things with PD or something else for synthesizing music, which requires knowing lots of math and music theory and signal processing.
Never be arrogant, please remember than people doing actual stuff - developers, business analysts, musicians, artists etc, and even lowly office workers sometimes, - are kinda more important than IT personnel. There are of course infrastructure and network admins who know their sh*t quite well and get paid accordingly.
My stepdad used iMac because he doesn’t like Windows.
Yet everytime you open Twitter they act like they know what they’re talking about and send clown emojis whenever someone responds with a counter argument
Haha yup it sucks
Linus Torvalds uses MacBooks.
Windows > macos
Agreed.
I’m surprised you have more upvotes than downvotes, but yeah, this is a comment that I would expect to get lots and lots of votes.
Windows ≅ macos
Yup, it is simply so lost and uncontrolled that I could totally live in it and replace the garbage software with something else.
in my opinion:
software: mac/osx >> windows
community/environment: windows/microsoft >> mac/apple
if we’re solely talking about how good the os is, i would have to say mac. but considering everything else, i would prefer windows
As both a MacOS and Linux user I agree with myself on the regular that Windows is shit.
I also wash my hands on the regular.
Great meme, very accurate.
Hides my macOS KVM I setup for fun
Very interesting, how do you do that? Can you even set it up without an A$ account?
I followed this guide https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM
It requires a little bit of computer knowhow but is definitely possible, heres a video of a guy building a custom pc and installing macos on it Here is the open source software he used to do it
I use all 3 for different things and I’ll stop using windows the second gaming hardware and games work somewhere else the same way.
Have you tried Manjaro? Steam makes it pretty simple with proton (which is based on wine) to run games. (Or if you prefer, arch. Manjaro is arch with a gui installer)
I will always choose Windows over Mac, if I have to. Using MacOS is infuriating on so many levels, I’d rather give myself the bullet (which doesn’t mean much tbh). At least I can ameliorate Windows for my VMs (in case of apps not working on Wine) which makes it ok to use
I know that this is irrational and I try to not let it influence my perception of people, but my brain is usually wired to “Mac user detected: technical opinion discarded”
I wish every time someone talked shit about operating systems they woke up having switched OS with their grandmother.
I would have iPadOS 💀 Thankfully I hate all OS’s equally.
I don’t think my grandmother used computers
Honestly MacOS is not great. At least with windows machines you can boot into a live system.
And have actual control over the OS.
Seriously, if Apple decides an app is too old, then it flat out doesn’t work. No way to prevent updating either unless it is basically without internet.
Linuxians like to complain about not being able to control Windows, but Mac is like a hundred times worse in that regard. Not to mention ads to all those Apple software on there.
What on earth are you on about? You’re completely in control of updates and you can enable the root account and do whatever you want. It’s still UNIX.
Are you talking about iOS/iPadOS? macOS is nothing like this and I have no idea what you’re on about.
