Because old fucks in politics can’t keep their goddamn mouths shut about anything. Gotta pander, but unfortunately there a lot more cameras and microphones at everything they attend, unlike when they were my age.
Can we just pull the reset rope on government and replace all positions with people that represent the average demographic age that will actually see the future we’re building? I honestly do not care what some 80 year old thinks society should be like. When they were my age, black people were still not allowed in schools with them.
He’s been saying it for decades (literally), it’s only now that it garners so much attention. Look, I can find 100 reasons to dislike the guy but being consistent isn’t one of them.
I’m not American, can someone explain why Biden does this when his “one job” for 2024 is to not look like a fash?
Is it though? Americans do not really care about foreigners getting killed. A lot are actually in favor of Israel killing people and/or Muslims being killed in general. It’s not a given he will lose more votes than he will gain from ‘moderate’ Republicans. After all Democrat voters will be whipped into line with the ‘but Trump/lesser evil’ argument. This’ sub’s mod has smeared himself up in shit and is going hard at it.
Because the vast majority of Americans believe that a state of Israel has the right to exist in some fashion, which is all that Zionism means.
It does not mean wholehearted support for literally everything its government does, which Biden very much does not have. He and Netanyahu are not exactly friends.
That you and the other comment about this are massively downvoted despite being accurate really shows how Lemmy is changing.
I get it, they may not like what the truth stands for or that there’s nuance here, with POTUS recent words and actions setting a poor standard. The whole situation certainly sucks but so does the knee-jerk reactions on many of these threads.
A president of all people should understand what words mean given context (quite lacking in the U.S right now). It’s quite bold of you to give excuses on behalf of someone who says they are a zionist without even knowing if they were ignorant or deliberately trying to dogwhistle. You might come off as daft if you’re proven wrong.
And? They weren’t downvoting the president, they were pushing down legitimate information that was specifically asked for by a non-American. Historical even.
Not everything is a dog whistle and this isn’t even sly or hidden, he outright admits it and always has. Sheesh.
Because saying you are a Zionist is simply to say that you believe that the state of Israel has a right to exist and be secure. It’s not saying that Israeli policy towards Palestian’s isn’t a inhumane cluster-fuck.
I disagree that a religious ethno-state has a right to exist. I’m anti-zionist for the same reason I don’t like the regimes in charge in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Thank you. The anti semitism on here is actually terrifying. Either there are a lot of people who don’t realize what they are saying, or they truly are anti semites just waiting to come out of the closet.
Luckily, they are not the majority in the real world. It seems to be highschool and university students who do not understand the implications of what they are saying.
Its absolutely not. Neither is suggesting (for example) that Israel is committing war crimes. But you can be extremeky critical of Israel and still think it has a right to exist, in line with long-stamding US foreign policy and the U.N efforts to find a two-state solution. Anyone who supports a two-state solution is a Zionist, by the dictionary definition. And that includes Biden - and me.
The difficulty is that the term ‘Zionism’ comes wiith a lot of extremely unpleasant shit associated with it.
I beg your pardon, but I know a few “orthodox ones” (like women shaving their head and wearing a wig, no electricity, no money and no leaving your house and district at Saturdays etc) and they are nice people ; however I’ve met some who probably eat pork and they’ve been among the most unpleasant people I’ve met.
Also most of Europe consists of “ethno-states”, so let’s please drop that too.
I agree that Israel’s size and extent should be reduced, and they shouldn’t be allowed to police any population but their own.
Opposing apartheid in any context is not antisemitic. Conflating criticism of oppression and occupation as condemning an entire religion is extremely obtuse. Surely you’re not that fucking dense.
I don’t know why you have to resort to insults. You’re the second person to insult me and I am not really sure why since I only said I’m concerned about anti sentism.
I also beleive Israel has the right to exist and be secure. This is not controversial. Most of the western world officially takes this position. If you want to insult me for that, then I guess go ahead.
The nation of Israel solely exists as a Jewish ethnostate propped up by the western imperialist countries (initially the British Government) after the Nakba of 1948, displacing over 700k Palestinians in a trail-of-tears-esque forced removal from their land. Since then, the Israeli Government has controlled every aspect of Palestinians’ lives such as electricity, drinkable water 97 percent of which is toxic, IDF checkpoints to get to and from different enclosed sections of their own land, etc. The oppressive regime of Israel and the apartheid it imposes on Palestinians is funded heavily by countries like the US, which sends billions every year to support this far-right fascist ethnostate.
The most disturbing thing aside from 70 years of oppression, apartheid, and ethnic cleansing is language that you are repeating justifying genocide that is taking place right now. You think an ethnostate has the right to exist at the expense of ethnic cleansing? So did Nazi Germany. If criticizing Isreal’s atrocities for the past 70+ years offends you, then imagine how offended the families of the 17,000+ Palestinian civilians slaughtered by the IDF in the past couple months alone must feel.
I don’t care if geriatric dinosaurs in power like Joe Biden have supported Israel their entire lifetime. It’s wrong. It is pure evil to fund genocide, it is pure evil to fund apartheid, and the only solution forward is a secular one-state solution in a similar fashion to the ending of apartheid in South Africa. It may never happen in my lifetime, but it starts with ceasefire and continues by ending financial ties to war crimes, a tall order for Americans.
That won’t happen with Hamas in charge. They are literal terrorists. Their entire purpose is to kill Jews, even at the cost of their own people. Maybe you think the attacks on Israel are justified. I do not.
“Palestinians of all ages are all terrorists and they must be exterminated by the IDF. The slaughter of 17,000+ Palestinian civilians since Oct 7th is actually justified.”
Yeah fuck off, nazi.
I do not condone attacks on civilians no matter who the target is. Stop using one tragedy to justify another.
I’m not American, can someone explain why Biden does this when his “one job” for 2024 is to not look like a fash?
Because old fucks in politics can’t keep their goddamn mouths shut about anything. Gotta pander, but unfortunately there a lot more cameras and microphones at everything they attend, unlike when they were my age.
Can we just pull the reset rope on government and replace all positions with people that represent the average demographic age that will actually see the future we’re building? I honestly do not care what some 80 year old thinks society should be like. When they were my age, black people were still not allowed in schools with them.
He’s been saying it for decades (literally), it’s only now that it garners so much attention. Look, I can find 100 reasons to dislike the guy but being consistent isn’t one of them.
Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens-lifelong-bond-with-israel-shapes-war-policy-2023-10-21/
80s documentation: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-12-28/ty-article/rare-1986-document-reveals-bidens-views-on-israel-and-saudi-arabia/0000017f-f2ca-d8a1-a5ff-f2ca769b0000
Did you mean to say “being inconsistent”?
I did not. The wording is based on how this matches his past statements. In this case, he’s being consistent and I can’t hate on that.
I can, however, hate the monetary support we’re sending there and dozens of other things.
Is it though? Americans do not really care about foreigners getting killed. A lot are actually in favor of Israel killing people and/or Muslims being killed in general. It’s not a given he will lose more votes than he will gain from ‘moderate’ Republicans. After all Democrat voters will be whipped into line with the ‘but Trump/lesser evil’ argument. This’ sub’s mod has smeared himself up in shit and is going hard at it.
Because the vast majority of Americans believe that a state of Israel has the right to exist in some fashion, which is all that Zionism means.
It does not mean wholehearted support for literally everything its government does, which Biden very much does not have. He and Netanyahu are not exactly friends.
I hate elections because it makes me feel even more like a weirdo, and that I have far, far less in common with my neighbors than I think.
That you and the other comment about this are massively downvoted despite being accurate really shows how Lemmy is changing.
I get it, they may not like what the truth stands for or that there’s nuance here, with POTUS recent words and actions setting a poor standard. The whole situation certainly sucks but so does the knee-jerk reactions on many of these threads.
And? You’re a mouth piece for the president?
A president of all people should understand what words mean given context (quite lacking in the U.S right now). It’s quite bold of you to give excuses on behalf of someone who says they are a zionist without even knowing if they were ignorant or deliberately trying to dogwhistle. You might come off as daft if you’re proven wrong.
And? They weren’t downvoting the president, they were pushing down legitimate information that was specifically asked for by a non-American. Historical even.
Not everything is a dog whistle and this isn’t even sly or hidden, he outright admits it and always has. Sheesh.
Because saying you are a Zionist is simply to say that you believe that the state of Israel has a right to exist and be secure. It’s not saying that Israeli policy towards Palestian’s isn’t a inhumane cluster-fuck.
I disagree that a religious ethno-state has a right to exist. I’m anti-zionist for the same reason I don’t like the regimes in charge in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia.
And that’s fine - that’s a morally consistent position, that I respect. My main point was to try and explain why Bidenmight have used those words.
Thank you. The anti semitism on here is actually terrifying. Either there are a lot of people who don’t realize what they are saying, or they truly are anti semites just waiting to come out of the closet.
Luckily, they are not the majority in the real world. It seems to be highschool and university students who do not understand the implications of what they are saying.
Being anti Zionist isn’t antisemitic.
Nope but that’s exactly why they keep trying to make that a thing
Its absolutely not. Neither is suggesting (for example) that Israel is committing war crimes. But you can be extremeky critical of Israel and still think it has a right to exist, in line with long-stamding US foreign policy and the U.N efforts to find a two-state solution. Anyone who supports a two-state solution is a Zionist, by the dictionary definition. And that includes Biden - and me.
The difficulty is that the term ‘Zionism’ comes wiith a lot of extremely unpleasant shit associated with it.
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If you casually state you’d wish for a third diaspora, you’ll have to forgive me for thinking that you’re not, in fact, fine with Jews.
I beg your pardon, but I know a few “orthodox ones” (like women shaving their head and wearing a wig, no electricity, no money and no leaving your house and district at Saturdays etc) and they are nice people ; however I’ve met some who probably eat pork and they’ve been among the most unpleasant people I’ve met.
Also most of Europe consists of “ethno-states”, so let’s please drop that too.
I agree that Israel’s size and extent should be reduced, and they shouldn’t be allowed to police any population but their own.
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Opposing apartheid in any context is not antisemitic. Conflating criticism of oppression and occupation as condemning an entire religion is extremely obtuse. Surely you’re not that fucking dense.
I don’t know why you have to resort to insults. You’re the second person to insult me and I am not really sure why since I only said I’m concerned about anti sentism.
I also beleive Israel has the right to exist and be secure. This is not controversial. Most of the western world officially takes this position. If you want to insult me for that, then I guess go ahead.
The nation of Israel solely exists as a Jewish ethnostate propped up by the western imperialist countries (initially the British Government) after the Nakba of 1948, displacing over 700k Palestinians in a trail-of-tears-esque forced removal from their land. Since then, the Israeli Government has controlled every aspect of Palestinians’ lives such as electricity, drinkable water 97 percent of which is toxic, IDF checkpoints to get to and from different enclosed sections of their own land, etc. The oppressive regime of Israel and the apartheid it imposes on Palestinians is funded heavily by countries like the US, which sends billions every year to support this far-right fascist ethnostate.
The most disturbing thing aside from 70 years of oppression, apartheid, and ethnic cleansing is language that you are repeating justifying genocide that is taking place right now. You think an ethnostate has the right to exist at the expense of ethnic cleansing? So did Nazi Germany. If criticizing Isreal’s atrocities for the past 70+ years offends you, then imagine how offended the families of the 17,000+ Palestinian civilians slaughtered by the IDF in the past couple months alone must feel.
I don’t care if geriatric dinosaurs in power like Joe Biden have supported Israel their entire lifetime. It’s wrong. It is pure evil to fund genocide, it is pure evil to fund apartheid, and the only solution forward is a secular one-state solution in a similar fashion to the ending of apartheid in South Africa. It may never happen in my lifetime, but it starts with ceasefire and continues by ending financial ties to war crimes, a tall order for Americans.
That won’t happen with Hamas in charge. They are literal terrorists. Their entire purpose is to kill Jews, even at the cost of their own people. Maybe you think the attacks on Israel are justified. I do not.
“Palestinians of all ages are all terrorists and they must be exterminated by the IDF. The slaughter of 17,000+ Palestinian civilians since Oct 7th is actually justified.”
Yeah fuck off, nazi.
I do not condone attacks on civilians no matter who the target is. Stop using one tragedy to justify another.
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