Any vote is for genocide. You’re voting for either a self avowed zionist (Biden) a literal Nazi (Trump) or throwing away your vote to allow the literal Nazi to win.
You act like there was a non-genocide option. Once Hamas did that attack, there was no stopping the crazy right wing Israeli government from doing what they are doing.
So what? The US should take a hard line against Israel anyways, even if it does no good, right? Great, so Israel is removed from the US sphere of influence and goes shopping for a new sugar daddy. That would be China, or more likely Russia. Now Russia is chummy with both Israel and Iran, which has the inconvenient little side effect that the Palestinians will lose the support of Iran. But who cares about the Palestinians anyways.
Any hope the US had of restraining Israel in any way whatsoever is contingent on our continued support. Without that, we have no influence and someone else steps in.
I’m not claiming that Biden has handled this perfectly, but the general direction he has gone has been in the best interest of saving as many Palestinian lives as possible. There are no clean hands in foreign policy.
Yikes. Way to miss the point. I was laying out the unintended consequences of naive foreign policy, and your pointing to a list of people you think are naive enough to do it - and you seem to think that’s a good thing. Assuming you are right, they would be fucking over the Palestinians in order to be smugly pro-Palestine. Form over function and virtue signaling instead of getting to better outcomes are hallmarks of third party politics in this country.
The outcome of a policy isn’t irrelevant to a policy, it’s the whole point of the policy. I didn’t make a wild guess or rely on my own intuition. That scenario is one of several that foreign policy experts are warning against. The worst case is Iran getting actively involved, but that’s far less likely.
No one voting Stein would ever vote Biden so that’s untrue. A tired old argument that’s lost it’s luster, just like all your arguments for voting for Biden.
Making it so Trump supporters can’t vote will definitely hinder his progress. How many died because they failed to take Covid protections? How many can’t vote because they are now Jan. 6 convicts?
Any vote is for genocide. You’re voting for either a self avowed zionist (Biden) a literal Nazi (Trump) or throwing away your vote to allow the literal Nazi to win.
Those are your ONLY choices.
last time i voted green and biden won. what is the mechanic by which trump will win this time?
Not choosing a dog in this fight of the conversation overall, but to answer your point specifically, if the youth vote stays home and doesn’t vote.
Last election Biden won in key States by a few thousands of votes, with a high amount of young voters voting in those states.
i know it’s unrelated to whether i vote for a third party in yet-another-election. the question was rhetorical.
I wasn’t just replying for you.
that was clear. my response wasn’t really to you at all.
Then it was a mutually beneficial comment conversation then.
A closer race? It ain’t rocket science.
my vote made Joe Biden win last time by the logic I’ve seen here. I’m going to keep voting for people who oppose genocide.
You act like there was a non-genocide option. Once Hamas did that attack, there was no stopping the crazy right wing Israeli government from doing what they are doing.
So what? The US should take a hard line against Israel anyways, even if it does no good, right? Great, so Israel is removed from the US sphere of influence and goes shopping for a new sugar daddy. That would be China, or more likely Russia. Now Russia is chummy with both Israel and Iran, which has the inconvenient little side effect that the Palestinians will lose the support of Iran. But who cares about the Palestinians anyways.
Any hope the US had of restraining Israel in any way whatsoever is contingent on our continued support. Without that, we have no influence and someone else steps in.
I’m not claiming that Biden has handled this perfectly, but the general direction he has gone has been in the best interest of saving as many Palestinian lives as possible. There are no clean hands in foreign policy.
Howie wouldn’t support genocide. cornel west doesn’t support genocide. jill stein doesn’t support genocide.
there are always options.
Yikes. Way to miss the point. I was laying out the unintended consequences of naive foreign policy, and your pointing to a list of people you think are naive enough to do it - and you seem to think that’s a good thing. Assuming you are right, they would be fucking over the Palestinians in order to be smugly pro-Palestine. Form over function and virtue signaling instead of getting to better outcomes are hallmarks of third party politics in this country.
if you were as skilled at diplomacy as you’re pretending, you wouldn’t be wargaming here. you can’t know any better than I do what would happen.
you are the one derailing the discussion about the actual policy of the candidates to make up stories about what you think would happen.
The outcome of a policy isn’t irrelevant to a policy, it’s the whole point of the policy. I didn’t make a wild guess or rely on my own intuition. That scenario is one of several that foreign policy experts are warning against. The worst case is Iran getting actively involved, but that’s far less likely.
False. I won’t be voting for genocide unlike you. A vote for Jill Stein is 100x more productive to Palestinian liberation.
A vote for Jill Stein helps elect Trump. Congrats, you just voted for genocide. Only here.
No one voting Stein would ever vote Biden so that’s untrue. A tired old argument that’s lost it’s luster, just like all your arguments for voting for Biden.
only a vote for trump helps elect trump.
Any vote not for Biden helps Trump win because nobody, literally nobody else can beat Trump.
you’re stretching the definition of “help” to meaninglessness. does it help Trump win if I don’t kidnap all of his supporters?
Making it so Trump supporters can’t vote will definitely hinder his progress. How many died because they failed to take Covid protections? How many can’t vote because they are now Jan. 6 convicts?
but failing to do so, or even REFUSING to do so is not the same as helping him to win.