If you don’t respond to my point why should I respond to yours?
Oh yeah, because I have self respect: not sure about the specifics, but maybe don’t cut off food and water to civilians? You know, if you lock down an area and control the water supply, maybe don’t use this as leverage? There are also many aid trucks Israel could simply allow in from Rafah. I really don’t see your point here, other than a pathetic attempt to avoid admitting this is obviously genocide.
Charming. And no, Isreal cannot simply allow in supplies because it would also be suppling Hamas, and it would potentially open a route for the smuggling of actual military supplies.
But if you are unable to understand that, bye, blocked ya, since that’s apparently what you want. Hope you can sleep with the knowledge that you’re supporting a group that proudly parades stripped, raped and broken women through the streets.
Not really. I wanted you to explain to me why you think that cutting off food and water to 2.3 million people doesn’t meet the definition of genocide. But you just want to talk about Hamas. I didn’t even mention them.
I shouldn’t have said you aren’t capable of it. You are, I’m sure. You just don’t want to for some reason.
You cannot prove a negative and it is really hard to prove intent. You both disagree on the intent. All he has to do is show military purpose. Your burden of proof is much higher.
I’m not sure what else the intent could be. If I lock someone in a room and eventually stop pushing food and water under the door for them what else am I doing but killing them on purpose? I honestly don’t understand how else this can be interpreted. I don’t even think this is really a matter of opinion.
Gaza has been blockaded for almost 20 years. It’s the complete stopping of food and water for months that makes it genocide, yeah. Combined with all the bombing etc. Are you being serious?
If you show me any analogous situation to Gaza then yes you will show me another genocide. Feel free to give an example you think is similar but widely accepted as fine.
Edit: still absolutely reeling over this: “Oh so you’re saying that every case of mass civilian starvation is genocide?!” Err… yeah?
People left to die from preventable diseases in a preventable siege?
153:10 at the UNGA, with only ten countries (including the US and Israel, or “Azrael” as my grandma liked to call them) standing in the way of a humanitarian ceasefire?
Say whatever you want, at the end of the day, the IDF is the one to pull the trigger and fire missiles that eventually killed thousands of children. About 7k now?
And it would be zero had Hamas not started the war by raping, abducting and murdering random Israelis, including children. Also, this war would end today if Hamas surrendered. I’m not blaming the IDF for striking at Hamas, I’m blaming Hamas for starting this war. I’m blaming Hamas for hiding in Gaza’s civilian population. I’m blaming Hamas for every single death in this pointless war.
Except hundreds of Palestinians were already killed by Israel before 10/7, and thousands were/are held in military courts without any charges for months at a time.
If you don’t respond to my point why should I respond to yours?
Oh yeah, because I have self respect: not sure about the specifics, but maybe don’t cut off food and water to civilians? You know, if you lock down an area and control the water supply, maybe don’t use this as leverage? There are also many aid trucks Israel could simply allow in from Rafah. I really don’t see your point here, other than a pathetic attempt to avoid admitting this is obviously genocide.
Charming. And no, Isreal cannot simply allow in supplies because it would also be suppling Hamas, and it would potentially open a route for the smuggling of actual military supplies.
You are totally ignoring my point because you don’t want to admit to what is obviously a genocide.
Good luck with that! But clearly you aren’t capable of having an honest conversation so I’m out. Hope you feel good about starving innocent civilians.
I’m not, I simply disagree with you.
But if you are unable to understand that, bye, blocked ya, since that’s apparently what you want. Hope you can sleep with the knowledge that you’re supporting a group that proudly parades stripped, raped and broken women through the streets.
Not really. I wanted you to explain to me why you think that cutting off food and water to 2.3 million people doesn’t meet the definition of genocide. But you just want to talk about Hamas. I didn’t even mention them.
I shouldn’t have said you aren’t capable of it. You are, I’m sure. You just don’t want to for some reason.
You cannot prove a negative and it is really hard to prove intent. You both disagree on the intent. All he has to do is show military purpose. Your burden of proof is much higher.
I’m not sure what else the intent could be. If I lock someone in a room and eventually stop pushing food and water under the door for them what else am I doing but killing them on purpose? I honestly don’t understand how else this can be interpreted. I don’t even think this is really a matter of opinion.
Is it really that inconceivable to you that a blockaid had a military purpose? Were all the blockaids in history considered genocide?
Gaza has been blockaded for almost 20 years. It’s the complete stopping of food and water for months that makes it genocide, yeah. Combined with all the bombing etc. Are you being serious?
If you show me any analogous situation to Gaza then yes you will show me another genocide. Feel free to give an example you think is similar but widely accepted as fine.
Edit: still absolutely reeling over this: “Oh so you’re saying that every case of mass civilian starvation is genocide?!” Err… yeah?
A military blockade on a civilian area?
People detained in unknown locations?
Constant shelling of schools and hospitals?
Withholding medical supplies?
People left to die from preventable diseases in a preventable siege?
153:10 at the UNGA, with only ten countries (including the US and Israel, or “Azrael” as my grandma liked to call them) standing in the way of a humanitarian ceasefire?
Sounds like
a pretense togenocide to me.Can you really be happy with yourself supporting someone who is the cause of the tens of thousands of innocent dead who have nothing to do with 10/7?
No. Which is why I don’t support Hamas or anything that helps them.
Say whatever you want, at the end of the day, the IDF is the one to pull the trigger and fire missiles that eventually killed thousands of children. About 7k now?
And it would be zero had Hamas not started the war by raping, abducting and murdering random Israelis, including children. Also, this war would end today if Hamas surrendered. I’m not blaming the IDF for striking at Hamas, I’m blaming Hamas for starting this war. I’m blaming Hamas for hiding in Gaza’s civilian population. I’m blaming Hamas for every single death in this pointless war.
Still IDF pulling the trigger and firing all those dumb weapons on civilian areas and hospitals.
If you shoot through a baby to kill a terrorist, you still shot through a baby.
But what you’re saying is not true. Israel has been killing Palestinians heavily in the west bank prior to this. Not to mention every day.
So if you shoot a hostage to get to the person behind them it is not your fault?
Except hundreds of Palestinians were already killed by Israel before 10/7, and thousands were/are held in military courts without any charges for months at a time.
I noticed that pro Zionists always just jump to talking about Hamas as a way to “win” any argument.
they bombed a hospital? Hamas was there
a child was shot in the head? The child was having Hamas thoughts
There’s a genocide? Nope, just Hamas
So you simply think they can starve however many civilians they want, most of whom are children, because it hurts Hamas?
No, Israel cannot possibly allow these civilians to eat.
They must starve until the last Qassam Brigade fighter is dead alongside the whole 2.3 million.
Instead they sent Hamas money. God forbid we let people eat and have economic activity. But it’s perfectly okay to fund Hamas.
The mask is fully off, how can you still support this?