No one has mentioned metafilter yet??

Its like a reddit that never acquired enough critical mass to become huge and attract shitty people but at the same time attracted enough people to become its own stable little community.

I particularly enjoy that there is a tradition of making high effort posts where people link together several links on a topic/news story into a paragraph about it. Posts often feel like interesting mini blog posts about a topic rather than just a short description and link and I often find myself learning really interesting things reading metafilter.

It is full of generally left leaning people and the site is maintained by paid moderators so I have never run into toxic bullshit there.

Also I think to make an account to post you have to make a one time payment of $5 or so to discourage people from joining who don’t actually want to be there (and discourage trolls).

https://www.metafilter.com/

I have no love for Valve, but I don’t think it can be argued that SteamOS and Steam in general helped jump start linux support for games. I think linux support was always going to increase but I don’t think it was a given that there would be so much widespread support at this point.

I think in general, if something is

1. extremely low effort
2. playing on lazy stereotypes or conspiracies without bringing anything to the conversation

Then treating it as spam and removing it isn’t a bad idea.

When it comes down to it, moderation is always going to be about the grey areas.

That is why it needs to be done by humans and its also why there needs to be many communities with different moderators so that no one moderation policy/team has too much power/cultural blindspots are limited in their impact.

Ultimately I have seen very little evidence that communities don’t need strong moderation.

I think designing fediverse apps to have “anti-design” features is really important, don’t get me wrong, however once you take the corporation out of social media questions of “addiction” and what amounts essentially to recreational drug use get much murkier.

If a developer and users establish consent (something that is impossible on corporate social networks by design) than what is wrong with addictive fediverse interfaces?

I think it is VERY easy for this question to slip into outdated conversations about drug use and addiction because people aren’t realizing that in the case of non-profit social networks this IS a question of recreational drug use and addiction.

I am absolutely not trying to downplay the very real damage social media or drug addiction can impart on people’s lives (myself included) however its complicated.

The relevant question is do people stumble into drugs and become addicted by accident or is drug use and addiction primarily a coping strategy and indicator of trauma and pain?

I use to have that thought “is this homeless person just going to use this money I give them for drugs?” and it took me a long time to realize if that is what gets them through the next day who the fuck am I to judge. Perhaps their coping strategy isn’t very healthy for them, but honestly maybe their life is in such a difficult place it would be absurd to expect someone not to seek out that kind of relief. Denying them that drug perhaps does nothing for their quality of life.

I think questions of WHY someone seeks out addictive experiences go far beyond user interface design but the flip side of that is if we ignore the root causes of those things and strip addiction out of user interface design we are potentially just robbing people of a healthier outlet to use a drug they feel that they need.

In my opinion the dark truth about social media addiction is that it wouldn’t be anywhere near as much of a problem if people were happy and healthy. Modern society, at least in the US is ripping people apart on countless different levels, from the cruelty of denying basic needs to people all the way up to ensaring people in extremely well paying jobs that take up their whole life and destroy them.

Many days off all I can do is sit on my couch and blob out on my phone and that isn’t necessarily the fault of my phone. Take my phone away and you just have a sad broken person who has to turn somewhere else with an addictive loop for something to give me relief. I don’t necessarily need less addictive apps, I need a higher quality of life.

What I am trying to say is that I think developers need to think about establishing consent with users and empathetically providing them addictive experiences when they need it (aka good video games). There are definitely problems with addiction in apps but they are DWARFED by the brutality of modern life.

Yah the elephant in the room is that you can either have a social network be healthy for its users or have it be profitable. Pick one.

Yah lemmy in my book already has what it needs to be successful long term which is a core community of relatively friendly, interesting people

Hey, thank you for the response. I would like to educate myself on this more, do you have any links to read about the behavior of raymond or perens?

Pointing out toxic behavior is not toxic behavior.

Its not a holy crusade to hold people accountable and realize that reinstating stalman sends a bad message to the kinds of people that stalman has made feel unwelcome.

I think this really hurts the FSF. Open source software is one of those communities that gets really toxic and countless talented people have been turned away because they didn’t feel welcome.

I understand stalman was very important to the movement but can’t board members just maintain a relationship with him outside of the organization if he really still has an important vision? I think putting him back on the board really sends the wrong message.

I don’t agree, it feels like you are excusing stalman for his behavior because other people also behave the way stalman does. That is not how that works ESPECIALLY when someone represents the figurehead for an entire movement/community. Is stalman significantly more toxic than many 68 year old white men? He definitely isn’t alone in his behavior but the point is its one thing if its your retired uncle who behaves this way and its another if its someone who has a ton of responsibility to shape a community.

Stalman’s time has far past.

Well, in order to make minetest like minecraft you gotta use essentiall a modpack right?

@dengismceo@lemmy.ml is right I was kidding, the mainstream tech world doesnt understand the fediverse at all and continously has said its going to die and its just funny at this point

What is with the play store having almost no actual photos of what an app looks like?

Actually what is with the play store fullstop?

Its gonna die just like mastodon did, haven’t you read the fastcompany and wired articles?

Wow that animation runs really well on mobile!

Also why is it called Mars 2020? I mean… they weren’t accidentually 2 months late getting to mars right…?

Pleroma does look like a nice lightweight mastodon alternative but all I hear is awful stuff about the development community around it

Open source also operates on different timescales from commercial projects.

So when we gonna start talking in terms of “open source time” like we do with “geologic time”

“For peertube to grow, it will need to have some built in monetization to attract larger creators.”

I would go a step further, I think peertube could become a place where culturally people tend to monetarily support creators in a highly unusual frequency. On mastodon, I find that people interact with me WAYYY more than other social networks and I often see people asking for donations/help and it feels like there is this sense that people come there to have conversations and meaningfully interact that I don’t find elsewhere. I think peertube could become a similar thing and it would attract creators because it felt healthier all around.