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Federating custom emojis is Quite A Thing, if I understand correctly


I do love them, but it’d be hard for them to not get real visually noisy. Also they’d need to be moddable (ex: racists using monkey emojis to harass). Also would they be anonymous the way vote counts are? I think they’re a really fun feature but need careful thought before UI incorporation. (ooh, maybe they’d make sense to keep pretty small and have in a similar position to where Reddit puts comment gilding?)


Just a couple! I’m still figuring out how it’ll make sense to use both.


Was your blog in English, though?

If you take Internet access…

…and cross reference against English speakers…

…then I think that’s enough explanation, no?


Does it need to be tackled? I mean, I think it’s a good thing about the reddit ecosystem that you have multiple communities dedicated to the same topic but which have different mod policies, say. To the extent that it can devolve into namesquatting, we can always repo the name later.

Maybe we should ask that there be a point of clarification in the sidebar?


Hey, if you’re getting death threats in PMs please reach out directly to admins. That is not something we tolerate. I am not sure what options like IP bans exist or will exist. We don’t want anybody to be harassed.


You have reported that you received one message from a different account that was rude. You are also in this thread calling people paranoid, so… I will at this time remind everyone that we’re trying not to have Lemmy be a cesspool, so please try to be polite. I am not seeing anyone behave in a way that seems obviously banworthy.


So the protocol is way, way different and massively out of scope to actually reimplement, so it would never make sense to have chugging along within the Lemmy backend server itself.

However, embedding Matrix rooms in webpages is something the Matrix devs want to make more straightforward (Gitter does this nicely and they’re shooting to subsume all of its functionality) so it’s not too hard to imagine some kind of integration with a. a separate Matrix server that gives permissions to b. a Matrix bot to manage creation of new rooms c. UI extensions to show this alongside communities.

However!

Lemmy is deceptively shiny and awesome, but there’s still a lot of way more high-priority stuff that needs doing before this kind of huge feature extension is even discussed seriously, so the devs need to focus on that kind of thing.

Once the Element devs get embedded rooms a bit further down the road, this seems like a really doable project for a motivated Lemmy user to try adding on, though!


Your own server is the one through which you interact with all others. You just talk to it, and then it talks to the other servers.

Yup, the domain name is part of what defines your identity. I would expect that eventually we’ll have more interface options to ensure it’s not too confusing who’s who (especially since there’s your real username and then you can also set a display name) but it’s one of those things that isn’t really a problem until it’s a problem.

Deletions in the fediverse have been a big deal in past. The tl;dr is that your “home” server would send out a “hey delete this” notification to all the other servers. By default they will of course do that, but you can see that it’s conceivable that someone could make a malicious version of server software that wouldn’t.

I am not a dev on the project so I am happy to pitch in answering Qs. :)


Small nit: it’s not like pulling data from each server separately because you can have one user account on one server and vote / comment / post in communities on all the servers using that one same identity.



One thing that’s important to me is making the fediverse less elitist. So that’s maybe a divergence of views, though I can’t speak to whether I’m whatever “kind of person” you’re thinking of.


Personally, I don’t really want it to be changed; I like that there’s somewhere generic that can serve as a catch-all bin for Fediverse content. However, I think it’s cool that someone (possibly even you??? I don’t have it in a tab) was working on spinning off something to focus on organizing to increase Fediverse adoption. I intend to join such spinoffs as well :)

I like the fediverse for its nichey communities. It lets content be easily spread across the network for viral serendipity, but also lets people feel like they’re just hanging out with a smaller community where you get to know each other. Within that community, the community has full control and autonomy, which is why it’s better than e.g. the evils of Facebook Groups for what I’m describing. Having a sort of collective/cooperative/socially negotiated service provision creates the nice foundation for the right attitudes for a community to have (I was heavily influenced by https://runyourown.social/ ). I like that no one is making money off my attention so no one is incentivized to manipulate me.

I don’t care as much about censorship resistance, escaping Big Mod, libreness of software (except through how that’s made it something accessible and shaped-by-the-community that a sysadminny type person can spin up without a ton of resources)…


Hi. I’m speaking as an admin on the site.

https://join.lemmy.ml/docs/en/code_of_conduct.html

Please don’t insult other people for this kind of thing. If you don’t think the view expressed is worthwhile, downvote and move on.


It is planned to make the filter work better with other languages when there’s proper language support. If it can be made to work with more context sensitivity, the devs are open to that – but it’s played a really important role in keeping Lemmy a friendly place just because of the kind of people it’s scared off, so I wouldn’t expect it to be made way more permissive in some way that would be attractive to the grosser parts of the internet.


So as @PP44 is saying, it’s open source. The devs work to make sure that anyone can set it up straightforwardly to run with their own modifications, not just the main version – and that means modifying the slur filter is also supposed to be straightforward, even though it’s not encouraged. There isn’t actual moderation on the whole platform per se, since two instances can federate even if one has no slur filter. There are lots of “points” to federated stuff, though, so the existence of a slur filter works well to help keep Lemmy from attracting the cesspool-types while still enjoying those other benefits.


No bots on any community on this, the main instance. It’s part of the vision for lemmy for people to not have the bot heavy experience of Reddit. However, this instance can federate with other instances that do have bots so people like you and I who do want that content can subscribe to communities hosted there.


I think mirroring comments is not a good idea because if someone puts a lot of effort into writing a comment, that content needs to still be within their control… and if someone is trying to delete stuff to retain privacy or something, it’s always pretty sketchy to keep up something that isn’t newsworthy or from a public figure.


so, admin hat on for a minute, bot posting is not allowed on the main instance, BUT… I personally think this kind of thing would be great in some form on another instance. some caveats, again coming from my personal views:

  • link posts only to not steal written content? it sucks to miss some of the stuff where the best part is answers in the comments, but that also would need people to go back to reddit to consume, and there are a decent number of people here who have left reddit intentionally and would probably get annoyed.
  • limiting the rate would be key; I believe there were some automated news stories being posted that had to rate limit to not drown everything else on the network out. this will not be a thing forever, just while we’re still smaller.
  • I’m not sure how you’d choose what subreddits to propagate over. if you end up building something and being selective about it, please consider making the code and tooling available so someone else can choose a different set

I have no idea what the mod story should be except that it is relatively less important now, while the site is still not huge, but will become extremely important once we get to the point where large communities are their own fiefdoms and whatever other nonsense is going on over there on Reddit.


the death of the newsfeed (and its afterlife)
I'm going to summarize this a bit and then muse about it because I think it's really, really important. There is support for all these points in the article. * If you let people choose who they want to "friend" and those friends don't have limits on posting to an amorphous "feed", there will be more content than is reasonable to read through * If you present this content in strict chronological order, people will end up getting whatever random sample of stuff that was posted right before they happened to look * There is a quote that is important enough that I'm going to excerpt and come back to it: > Meanwhile, giving us detailed manual controls and filters makes little more sense - the entire history of the tech industry tells us that actual normal people would never use them, even if they worked. People don't file. * The algorithmic newsfeed as championed by Facebook or Twitter is fundamentally an attempt at addressing this situation. It has a lot of bad effects, both for society and for individuals. * In response, there are two big trends we're seeing: * One is group chats coming to be a more important venue for sharing content. Because you know exactly what everyone is seeing in strict chronological order, there is a social etiquette that can arise around not dominating the conversation. * Another is stories. Stories are limited temporally, such that people have to check in every day to be able to see all content. It's presented in a way that you're really checking each person's feed in turn. * There are also perhaps bad effects to a retreat to group chats, cf. how misinformation shares through WhatsApp. Stories seem to me to actually be a counter example to what Benedict is saying above about manual controls; it turns out people are willing to manually navigate through content to see what they care about *as long as the UX is smooth enough*. They are *more* willing to accept limits on *content* if it facilitates that UX being smooth. In my opinion, stories can be kind of a dark pattern if they make people feel like they *have* to check back in all the time or they'll miss something, but at the same time, hey, a bold and initially-ridiculous-seeming restriction enabling a new idiom of social communication was Twitter's whole 140 character thing too. The way [Lemmy](https://lemmy.ml) handles this is a la Reddit, by tossing "wisdom of the crowd" on the situation, and dividing the crowd up into aligned subsegments. The same content may be received differently by /c/aww and /c/photography, and get a different judgment. But that doesn't work well for a couple of different things: * Personal content: not everyone who posts a picture of a cocktail on Instagram is trying to be an influencer. Sometimes you want to tell your friends what you're up to. Upvoting and downvoting does not mesh well with this casual content. * Niche content: in theory it could, but in practice -- and much to everyone's shame -- the best niche memes these days are in Facebook groups, not on Reddit. I don't have much to say about this except that if you doubt me, you are not thinking [niche enough](https://www.facebook.com/papacyislovepapacyislife/). * Generally antidemocratic corner cases: Not everyone's judgement is equally valuable in all cases. So let's move away from impersonal content. **What can be done to address the newsfeed problem in a less bad way?** As a Fediverse fan, I'm thinking here of how [Mastodon](https://joinmastodon.org/) has a mix of personal and impersonal content, sometimes in a longer form than Twitter and more like Facebook. Broadly, it sucks when content is pushed at us in ways we can't *understand*, and in ways we can't *control*. Chronological sorting is comprehensible and you can scroll around in it. Every time you hear Instagram artists talking about changes in "the algorithm", you get a sense of something incomprehensible out of the control of both posters and consumers. So what does comprehensible control mean? I like being able to toggle among ordering methods. People complain about how Twitter inserts content into their feed that was merely "liked" by someone they follow, but I like seeing that stuff, and toggling over to a separate feed of it would be cool. There's lots someone could implement by diffusing judgment more through a social graph -- the engagement of people you engage with counting for more or less, then who do *they* interact with a lot, etc.--but that doesn't end up being comprehensible to people, and we should take more seriously that that should be disqualifying. Clicking around to look at content [clusters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_analysis) can be both comprehensible and controlled. Spotify does this (bizarrely calling it "daily mixes"). The mechanisms by which clusters are determined don't have to be *totally* transparent so long as people can be explicitly told what the clusters are that they're looking at; this could be something like boiling topics down to keywords in text content to "discover" tags. Well, I've talked a bit about how to present content after it's been created, but I will have to return some other time to dig into constructive limits on that content that can help. Really curious to hear people's thoughts on this.
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A few thoughts. * I spent most of my childhood in a new manufactured home. For us it was enough to open the windows in the evening, close them around 10AM, and in the afternoon use the ventilation system to blow cooler (but not cooled) air up from the crawlspace. In homes I've lived in since (in the same climate) this would be completely impossible. Why? Because homes built on-site decades ago are so much less airtight/well-insulated than a manufactured home. This seems ironic given how much cheaper manufactured homes look / their underclass cultural connotations. Are new site-built houses closer to older site-built houses or new manufactured homes? * It's my understanding that apartment living is, broadly, lower-emissions than detached single family homes. But I live more than 15 floors up in a new condo building and **we have to run AC in the winter to keep it below 74F,** just because heat rises. This seems like madness. * Mostly in Seattle, AC has historically been a little silly / unnecessary. This has changed with wildfires. I'm willing to say we should all try to figure out how to deal with higher room temperature and build buildings differently and etc. etc. etc. but particulates in the air mean you can't rely on natural air exchange. I recognize this seems like a corner case but... oof.
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What are your favorite RSS feeds?
Blog or otherwise. Bonus points if it *isn't* technology.
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