My gf knows nothing about math. And has to learn a bit. I’m a software engineer so of course I offered to teach her.
Gave her some exercises to do. Because she prefers to do them alone without help. And after 30 minutes she’s like “can you help me decipher what chatgpt told me?”.
Of course, what chatgpt told her was utter garbage. Bruh, I’m right here and I’m teaching you, just ask me for help, not a word predictor.
I’m actually impressed how bad chatgpt answered, this was low high school level maths/physics. The bot is advertised as if it were going to leave me without a job in the next year.
Your GF secretly works for openAI. You’re not teaching her, she’s getting you to train chatGPT :O
Can AI open a jar? Can AI kill a spider?
10/10 usage of this GIF
One day they have secrets
YES
AI installs java
I would have asked, “And what exactly does ChatGPT think it is?” Because there’s a pretty good chance that it made up a definition that is 100% bullshit.
You’re wasting computation time by saying please to your boyfriend. Alman said it and he has a boyfriend.
First they came for my mansplaining and I said nothing…
Shorting: cutting your jeans into shorts
That’s jorting. You have bejorted yourself.
Shorting is when you plug your fork into an electrical outlet.
Instructions unclear, dick stuck in jorts.
it only takes a couple times of getting a made-up bullshit answer from chatgpt to learn your lesson of just skip asking chatgpt anything altogether
I stopped using it when I asked who I was and then it said I was a prolific author then proceeded to name various books I absolutely did not write.
I just read “The Autobiography of QueenHawlSera”!
Have I been duped?Why the fuck would it know who you are?
If you have an account, you can tell it things about yourself. I used my boss’s account for a project at work (felt gross). I made the mistake of saying “good morning” to it one day, and it proceeded to ask me if I was going to do (activities related to my boss’s personal life - and the details were accurate). I was thinking, “why does he tell it so much about himself?”
So it’s working as intended.
and I’m apparently a famous Tiktoker and Youtuber.
But chatgpt always gives such great answers on topics I know nothing at all about!
Oh yeah, AI can easily replace all the jobs I don’t understand too!
Gell-mann amnesia. Might have to invent a special name for the AI flavour of it.
My girlfriend gave me a mini heart attack when she told me that my favorite band broke up. Turns out it was chat gpt making shit up, came up with a random name for the final album too.
I feel like a lot of people in this community underestimate the average person’s willingness to trust an AI. Over the past few months, every time I’ve seen a coworker ask something and search it up, I have never seen them click on a website to view the answer. They’ll always take what the AI summary tells them at face value
Which is very scary
I was using it to blow through an online math course I’d ultimately decided I didn’t need but didn’t want to drop. One step of a problem I had it solve involved finding the square root of something; it spat out a number that was kind of close, but functionally unusable. I told it it made a mistake three times and it gave a different number each time. When I finally gave it the right answer and asked, “are you running a calculation or just making up a number” it said that if I logged in, it would use real time calculations. Logged in on a different device, asked the same question, it again made up a number, but when I pointed it out, it corrected itself on the first try. Very janky.
ChatGPT doesn’t actually do calculations. It can generate code that will actually calculate the answer, or provide a formula, but ChatGPT cannot do math.
It’s just like me fr fr
So it forced you to ask it many times? Now imagine that you paid for it each time. For the creator then, mission fucking accomplished.
You need multi-shot prompting when it comes to math. Either the motherfucker gets it right, or you will not be able to course correct it in a lot of cases. When a token is in the context, it’s in the context and you’re fucked.
Alternatively you could edit the context, correct the parameters and then run it again.
On the other side of the shit aisle
Shoutout to my man Mistral Small 24B who is so insecure, it will talk itself out of correct answers. It’s so much like me in not having any self worth or confidence.
I’ve only really found it useful when you provide the source of information/data to your prompt. E.g. say you want to convert one data format to another like table data into JSON
It works very consistently in those types of use cases. Otherwise it’s a dice roll.
That’s what people get when they ask me questions too but they still bother me all the time so clearly that’s not going to work.
Or you could learn to use the tool better and ask better questions. It’s pretty decent at some things, absolutely terrible for others.
Asking to explain something like shorting a stock is one of the better uses, since there are tons of relevant posts explaining exactly that.
Oooooooor, I could use something mostly reliable instead of something that’s sketch.
Nono you see… why be unsure when you could be wrong? 🤔
Why not both? Use the LLM to refine what you’re looking for, and better sources for details. It’s like skimming summaries in search results before picking a web page, or asking friends/family before looking up actual sources.
LLMs are great for interactive information retrieval and figuring out what information you actually need. They don’t do everything, but they do a lot more than detractors claim and lot less than proponents claim. Find that happy middle-ground and it’ll be a great tool.
Why though? If I can’t trust them half the time and I have to figure out when that is, nah.
So asking family and friends about things you don’t know isn’t worth it? Reading personal blogs isn’t worth it?
As long as you go in knowing what it offers, it can be a great tool, like those little summaries on search results. I use them to find information when the search engine isn’t going to be a great option, or at my day job to generate code for a poorly documented library. I tend to use it a handful of times per week, if that, and only for things that I know how to verify (i.e. manually test, confirm w/ official sources, etc).
As I said in another comment, searching for what’s right or wrong takes a lot of time. Using it as a tool that is untrustworthy isn’t great. For simple shit, maybe? But then simple shit is covered by most other places.
Then you’re using it wrong.
LLMs shouldn’t be used to search for what’s right or wrong, they should be used to quickly get a wide breadth of information on a given topic or provide a starting point on code or text projects that you can refine later.
For example, I wanted to use a new library in a project, and the documentation was a bit cryptic and examples weren’t quite right either. So I asked an LLM tuned for coding tasks to generate some example code for our use case (described the features I wanted to use), and the code worked. I needed to tweak some stuff (like I would w/ any example), but it worked. I used the LLM because I knew there would be a bunch of public code projects using this library with a variety of use cases, and that the LLM would probably do a reasonable job of picking out a decent one to build from, and I was right.
On another topic, I needed to do research on an unfamiliar topic, so I asked the LLM to provide a few examples in that domain w/ brief descriptions. That generated a ton of useful keywords that I used to find more reputable sources (keywords that would’ve taken hours of searching to generate), so I was able to quickly find reliable information starting from a pretty vague notion of what I wanted to learn.
LLMs have a lot of limitations, but if they’re used to accomplish common tasks quickly, they can be incredibly useful. I don’t think they’ll replace anyone’s job (unless your job is already pointless), traditional search engines (as much as Google wants it to), or anything like that, but they are useful tools that can make some of the more annoying parts of my job more efficient.
Not everyone has a bank of experts waiting for whatever questions they have.
If you have better options, fine. But if you are spending two hours googling instead of just asking chatgpt to spend five minutes finding you mostly the same links, you are just wasting time. Its easy to have it pull sources that you can quickly verify and then base your actually documentation on. FYI, I personally do both (I search while it does).
Except these “experts” are wrong a lot, so you can’t trust them. It’s the confidently wrong that’s problematic.
Yes, you are still expected to participate and verify what is said. I also dont copy paste stuff from websites without verification since god knows the internet in general isn’t always right either.
It’s a productivity tool meant to help you, not do the job for you.
LLMs are great for tech bros and CEOs who want maximum profit with minimum effort all while stealing work that isn’t theirs and poisoning the planet at the same time.
They’re also great for non-tech bros who just want to get stuff done, and they don’t have to poison the planet at all. We run a few in our office on a Mac Mini, which sips power.
Those tech bros and CEOs are mostly fleecing investors, so I guess I’m not very concerned about them.
It’s a good tool so long as there are already better ways to get your answer
It’s good if the answers exist, but you don’t know how to find them. They’re like search engines that can generated related terms. or regurgitate common answers.
I find LLMs help me use existing search engines a lot better, because I can usually get it to spit out domain-specific terms to a more general query.
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Forget trying to say anything positive about LLM or AI. The Lemmyverse downvotes any positive comment related to AI.
I’m well aware, but I think clearing misconceptions is valuable, and since I’m getting a fair amount of votes in both directions and discussion, hopefully that means people have read and considered my point.
I’m not going to recommend people use LLMs for everything or even claim that they’re perfect for everyone (in fact, I don’t like using them), just that they do have valid uses and, if it comes up, can be used efficiently (i.e. not burn down the planet). I use them a handful of times in a given week, often less, and mostly to get more keywords to search on a traditional search engine.
So yeah, it’s whatever. I very much dislike both extremes here, and am trying to drive home the point that there is a happy middleground.
I’m dying laughing at the “NOOOOO AI BAAAAAAD” folks downvoting you for being absolutely correct on how to use the tool properly XD
Eh, it comes w/ the territory. Lemmy is generally anti-LLM, and this is a post that would specifically trigger people who hate LLMs.
I just hope a few people stop and think about whether their distaste for LLMs is reasonable or just bandwagoning.
Yeah, my big gripe with Lemmy is the hivemind that decides the " ideologically correct" way to post. One can hope one reaches an open mind at some point, but such is social media :/
That’s true of all social media. It turns out, collecting information into groups tends to attract people w/ strong opinions about that type of information. If you have two groups, one very positive about something and one very negative, they’ll form separate groups because people prefer validation to conflict. It’s the natural consequence of social media, people like to form groups w/ like-minded people.
I didn’t come to Lemmy because I disliked the Reddit hive-mind issue, I came because I disliked how they treated third party developers and volunteer moderators. I self-corrected for Reddit’s hive-mind by joining a bunch of subreddits that attracted different perspectives (i.e. some for leftists, some for conservatives, some for anarchists, etc) so I’d hopefully get a decent mix, and I do the same here on Lemmy (though it seems Lemmy is a bit more leftist than Reddit, so there’s a bit less diversity in politics at least). I do the same for news sources and in my use of LLMs (ask it to find issues w/ a previous answer it gave).
So I sometimes post alternative viewpoints in threads like these to hopefully give someone a chance to reconsider their opinions. Sometimes those comments get traction, sometimes they don’t, but hopefully someone down the line will see them and appreciate it.
Nah Lemmy in particular is a worse dump than Miyazaki’s poison swamps. The level of zeal on lemmy is staggering (I mean, it’s already resulted in one terrorist attack)
I feel like this is because it’s much smaller than alternatives. It starts to feel like you’re circlejerking the same dicks every day.
it’s already resulted in one terrorist attack
Source?
And I don’t think it’s necessarily worse, but it really depends on the community and instance. Hexbear, ml, and lemmygrad are absolute dumpster fires, but the other instances are a lot more chill. But each has its own form of group think.
Shorting: Like investing but you can lose more than you put in.
Investing: Theoretically infinite gain, limited loss
Shorting: Limited gain, theoretically infinite loss
Shorting: investing but you take a loan to do it and you bet on things failing.
Shorting: Gambling
So is a lot of types of investing, so that’s really not a good definition, and just like investing if you know what you are doing you can come out way ahead with an almost guarantee with shorting
Correct me of im wrong. But cant you lose an infinite amount if the stock rockets up and the share owners comes asking their shares back?..
It’s never really “infinite” in practice. What it really means is that the amount you can lose isn’t bound by the money you put into the trade. If you buy a stock normally, you can only lose up to the amount of money you used to buy it. With shorting, you can lose 5x, 10x, 20x the amount of money if things go wrong for you.
Well, if it went up an infinite amount, then yes. In reality, that’s pretty unlikely
Yes you can
Investing in any single thing is gambling in my book.
Sure, it can pay off, but it can go badly too, and “knowing what you’re doing” is what everyone thinks they’re doing, right up to the point where they don’t.
Although shorting Tesla might not be a bad plan right about now. Seeing Trump and Musk destroy each other is what I live for.
Shorting tesla might not seem a bad plan for about a decade now, the market can remain illogical longer than the premiums you pay on the short position.
Well you can also have “know how” from other things, for example years ago I was following a lot of PC hardware news and for me it was sure as fuck that both AMD and Nvidia will only increase for a while, Ryzen was starting to go strong and Intel was not putting up competition, and the then crypto market nicely transitioned into AI for keeping demand for Nvidia products high af.
Anyone who knew someone from the boeing factories or had knowledge of what went on in that company likely should have known to short the shit out of the boeing stock the moment the first 787 Max went down.
Really the stock market involves a lot of paying attention to stuff and then trying to to bet on the more likely stuff, it’s never a guarantee is it.
Right now I am mostly paying attention to the car market, there I would say shorting US car manufacturers is a decent bet, Nissan if the stock is still low is a decent investment target, I don’t think they will go under and they have some nice cars at good prices.
Stellantis went through a bit of turbulence, but they are coming out with some good stuff now, so they could see some upswing.
But really I haven’t even looked at the stock prices so this might be all stupid shit.
If you don’t want to gamble just invest in ETFs every month and you will be fine.
If you don’t want to gamble just invest in ETFs every month and you will be fine.
I mean, that’s still gambling. If you invest in a world-wide, well-spread, low-cost ETF, you’re essentially betting that the worldwide economy will grow faster than inflation+costs.
That’s a pretty safe bet, but still a bet.
That’s a pretty safe bet, but still a bet.
Depends on how much your national government taxes investment compared to savings account. Here the difference means it’s the same expected value just with more variance
In a similar vein to the other person responding to you, how exactly does one ‘know what they’re doing’ on the stock market without being tied in to VC firms, etc.?
If you aren’t a trader you likely don’t know and therefore you shouldn’t go around shorting shit, or if you do post your losses on the wallstreetbets community on lemmy or reddit if there is no lemmy version
No I’m not exactly interested in shorting, I didn’t get wound up with the apes on Reddit. I’m mostly just curious, I don’t understand it.
Edit: I understand what shorting is, I do not understand why shorting happens to the companies it happens to.
I understand what shorting is, I do not understand why shorting happens to the companies it happens to.
People believing the current price to be higher than the future price.
But is that it? Isn’t shorting entirely speculative and based on whether anyone is actually watching the stock closely? To my understanding, that was the reason VC firms chose businesses like Gamestop and BB&B to short. Am I wrong about this?
so just regular investing?
No.
With regular investing, you buy an asset (e.g. a share for $10) and sell it later. The most you can lose is that $10.
With shorting you borrow a share for $10, and sell it. Then you buy it back later and give the share back. The idea being that you buy it back for $8 and you’ve made $2 profit. But what if the price suddenly rockets up to $100? Now you’ve lost $90. More than your initial stake.
You’re confusing me. I’m just gonna ask ChatGPT.
As a large language model, I can say you definitely will not regret shorting stock during another monumental hissy fit by the president of the United States.
I had to explain this to my girlfriend, I still have a job
That’s when you turn it around and ask her about how to deal with some social situation. Oh nvm, chatgpt gave me a great idea
We are all redundant now. How does it feel living what I lived through mg entire life?
If ai can start pirating old movies then it’s curtains for me brotherzz 😞
“Hey Alexa, add Rick and Morty to Sonarr and download the first season for me”
I just like making chit chat with deepseek, that’s about it for me and AI.
You got a girlfriend with that skill? You have no idea how much hope you’ve given me my brother.
For real, I feel like its part of the reason Ive kept my S/O so long 😭
Well our society is falling apart as we barrel towards another great war with the most certainly a expectation that Yankeeland is gonna drop a nuke on a civilian population. There will be conscripts and consequences. Oh yeah let’s not forget arresting the homeless and giving them felonies and throwing them into for profit prisons. Lets not forget the hooverviles. But sure you’re a top G with your illgotten gains with a currency that is rapidly declining. What a limp dick techchoad dum dumb culture. Drinking from a poisoned well were the bully gets you to punch yourself in your own face and you celebrate this. We celebrate this world of the lowest common denominator. We eat our own. This is a empty vessel of lesser things. A pit of despair… A whoreable land that is hostile to real innovation and creativity. We all are nothing but dildos for the capitalist. It would be better to be closer to the blast zone. The rich have bunkers and we all will starve to death. Capitalism is a death cult and shorting is gambling with your children’s future. Only the most idiotic will replicate. This seems now a activity for the most supremely vain, non mathmatical and selfish. Thank gawd all men die.
This is a very intense, and worryingly doomer response to someone vaguely mentioning the concept of short selling
If you could just go outside and talk to some friends, that’d massively improve your situation. Just give small talk to somebody. Somebody real. They’ll cheer you up. You could also find a homeless shelter to volunteer at.
I mean, I understand things are awful, with global warming and forced deportations, but this lachrymose screed isn’t what life is like. There are countless people all over the world who are creative, kind, and full of hope, and we are merely beset by great problems.
People do know they could have just googled things and looked at the top results before right? Even with all the enshitification it’s gone through it will still usually yield something useful for any topic that isn’t super niche. Like if I search “shorting” the top 3 results are articles from Wikipedia, Investorpedia, (don’t know enough about it to know if it’s reliable) and Charles Schwab, a source with a conflict of interest since they probably sell that service, but they’re probably at least going to explain why you’d want to buy it from them, and then as a bonus the 4th result is an ELI5 Reddit thread, which while probably not the most reliable source of info, is probably about on the same level as randomly asking your SO about a topic which they’re not an expert in.
Just fyi investorpedia is reliable. Ive personally never found incorrect information there.
Im not so sure id call schwab a conflict of interest exactly. They do provide the service, but financial institutions like that are not allowed to provide investing advice, so they cant upsell strategies like that. All they can do is explain it so that you know what strategy you want to pursue.
Good to know. Thanks.
I too have wondered about this. I doubt I will ever think to ask a chatbot a thing I would normally just “google” using a search engine. Sifting through search results is a skill/habit honed over 25+ years that just makes more sense to me. I also don’t trust AI to answer correctly.
Yeah but people now Google things and look at the AI summary of the top 3 results.
