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    3 years ago

    It is a cyclical event, each time when the bubble of capitalism bursts, they make a reset with a war.

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    3 years ago

    You may not realize that, but stuff like that is often the entry point for further right-wing propaganda (including calling it “bourgeois propaganda”). Yes the western allies also sucked, but that doesn’t relativize the Nazi crimes at all.

    Edit: it may look like communist propaganda, but IMHO it really isn’t. It spins a story of “see, all were equally bad”. Pretty much textbook example of right-wing Russian spin doctoring.

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      Which part of this image is right-wing propaganda in your opinion? All the statements on the top are true as far as I know. And it is also true that the western media ignores these facts, and focuses on the war with Nazi Germany. And usually even ignoring the eastern front, or the Japanese atrocities.

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        3 years ago

        The meaning of the pic is that the Allies were portrayed by bourgeois propaganda as anti-fascist, while in fact they collaborated with them behind the scenes. Read carefully.

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        It’s the framing.

        First of all it is extremely miss-leading (even though probably factually true). All of it either happened before or after the fighting, when the situation was different (and in hindsight is always easy to condemn things).

        But the real give-away is that it is a thinly veiled attack on western media, while saying nothing good about communism or anything bad about naziism. This is pretty much a staple of right-wing Russian propaganda, that has been co-opting anti-capitalist slogans and is more then happy to abuse communist terms.

        Edit: If you easily identify something as propaganda, then it isn’t targeted at you. The dangerous propaganda is the one that seems true when not thinking too much about it.

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          By framing you mean the title? Because otherwise there is no frame or context at all. So it seems to be more about your interpretation. You are right that those events happened before/after the actual war, but they are still closely related to it.

          And yes it is a criticism of western media, nothing wrong with that. It certainly doesnt require any statements about communism or nazism. I also dont see any slogans here, so that statement looks like pure Russophobia (which the same western media is also promoting).

          Propaganda in the original sense of the words is basically everything that promotes specific political views. So this meme can definitely be considered propaganda, just like all other political memes. What I dont understand is why you consider it right-wing. Just because you disagree?

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            It’s not that I disagree, but rather that this is textbook spin-doctoring (perfected by modern right-wing Russian propaganda, but also used by others).

            Once you go down the path of “see they were all equally bad” or the closely related whataboutism, it is only a small step towards openly promoting fascism as the “least bad” option, which is the end-game of such propaganda.

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              You are interpreting a lot into this meme, no clue where you take all that from. The unrelated russophobia isnt helping either.

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                Sorry but this is not russophobia at all, in fact I quite like Russian people/culture. But it is an apt description of a tactic employed by modern right-wing spin-doctors that originated in Russia and is employed by Russian state-propaganda a lot.

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                  You are painting Russia as the “bad guy” when its not even mentioned in the image, just vaguely connected through your questionable interpretation of it. What is that if not russophobia? But it makes sense, as you are also defending the same capitalist media which promotes russophobia day in and day out.