I don’t quite understand the criticism. It’s not gonna be top of the line, but it’s more than enough to replace my dying laptop from 2015 that I pretty much only ever use like a desktop anyway. And I can save myself the time and effort of picking parts, building, and dealing with shit not working as expected.
COD is going to beg to be let onto the Steam marketplace.
And it’s gonna be great.
This.
Yeah, but we know that Linux people would cheer and praise those games if Linux support was suddenly added
Exactly. Another lemming made a fantastic quip to this effect, claiming that consoles and windows are performing “SCP level containment” for the rest of us. Let them have CoD.
Valve is putting serious money behind Linux and has a lot of pull with game devs. They will fall in line soon.
Yep. No way Activision’s going to leave an addressable market as big as SteamOS is trying to be just sitting on the table. Especially if Valve puts some incentives behind it.
You don’t use Linux because of kernel anti-cheats
I don’t play CoD because kernel anti-cheats
We are not the same
I genuinely do not understand the point of using kernel-level anticheats. They have been bypassed for nearly a decade now, you can buy cheats for any kernel-level anticheat game, battlefield 6 had hackers during the first betas, didn’t even take more than a day to bypass it. The only thing they seem to be affecting is your player count and review ratings
But if the cheats are at kernel level, how can any anti cheat compete without going full server authoritative?
I’m actually a believer in server-sided anticheats. The time feels right to really start developing machine-learning backed anticheats that basically analyize how you play. Look up VAC Live
Indeed. I chalk it up to the power of narratives and emotions. These are emotional decisions by managers who don’t know what they’re doing but salivate at the opportunity to limit someone’s access to something for not paying them or for using something differently than how they’d like to after paying. You know, stupid s**t like kernel level anti cheat and denuvo.
It’s always the fucking suits.
But then they only manage to make dissident movements bigger.
Boycott the Call of Duty mines.
In all honesty, I think it might be overall better if games like Fortnite, CoD or Fifa never get patched for Linux. The vast majority of their players are just addicts who fell victim to the predatory mechanisms. One of the few effective solutions is to cut them off this stuff.
Ideally, these games shouldn’t exist, at least not in their current form. But it’s not like billionaire sociopaths will stop feeding on the weak and poor anytime soon.
The vast majority of their players are just addicts who fell victim to the predatory mechanisms.
I don’t play Fortnite, but the only players I know are kids, and they just play it because that’s what everyone else is playing and they want to play with their friends. I’m not excusing the company for monetizing the shit out of it, but (anecdotally) the players’ behaviour just reminds me of me and my friends playing Dooms, UTs, or Quakes back in the day.
Let’s not forget the whole Counter-Strike economy is based on gambling, which I think is also not good, especially because there’s a lot of young kids picking that up and becoming gambling addicts, which I think is a net negative for people.
Edit: People make games did a deep dive on this, as did Coffeezilla did a series on the whole ecosystem.
Oh wow I haven’t played since the original Source. I thought you were just talking about how you had to manage an equipment budget in a match. But no, legit gambling scheme with real time and money for what amounts to NFTs that can only be used within Steam’s ecosystem.
Yeah, it’s a bit of a black mark on valve however I imagine it prints a lot of money and they seem reticent to put an end to it.
Remember when Linux was about freedom? If the OS lets me delete root recursively, it can also let me play slop. It’s not my mom.
Linux isn’t stopping you from playing that slop, it’s just to sloppy to work on Linux.
That’s the only thing I worry about personally, not the users so much, but the capitalists who see “opportunity” once Linux gains a hold, and start figuring out how to make it disgusting like everything else they touch with their greedy little slop mitts.
It won’t be “Well, Linux doesn’t permit anticheat”, it will be
“Okay how do we create some centralized power structure that makes invasive DRM and anticheat that runs on Linux?”
And they’ll move to colonize.
There are already anti cheat options on Linux. They just don’t put any dev time into them because it’s a small market currently.
Embrace, Expand, Extinguish.
While I don’t like these games either, I think it would be better for them to support Linux, so all users can enjoy the games they want.
they are not games they are slop that normies consume.
They could sell it as a machine that protects your privacy and prevents any privacy invasive software from running in it
I’m not sure that anyone who cares that much about COD has any level of overlap with PC gamers. Or really with any gamer, period. “Oh, no, I can’t play the cod game this year. Womp womp.” Said nobody over the age of 18, ever. They’ll play the next one when it comes to steam machine. Lmao.
Edit: key phrase “anyone that cares that much”. Yes, everyone engages in hyperbole.
key phrase “anyone that cares that much”
My friends that play CoD only really play CoD, a few are trying BF6. They never play any games with me because my games are uninteresting. My game selection of infinity minus 1 is considered uninteresting compared to their game selection of 1. You got the age all wrong though, they are 20 to 50.
key phrase “anyone that cares that much”
I am wondering, what are the most common multiplayer games that millenials gravitate towards? Are they playing more Battlefield, Marvel Rivals, and Apex Legends? Have so many of the industry titans like Call of Duty or Halo that they were raised on either shifted so much in direction and tone or threw corporate mismanagement driven themselves into the ground that they are no longer considered largely relevent to their demographic?
Lemmy users: no, it’s everyone else who is out of touch
key phrase “anyone that cares that much”
I am excited for the steam machine because of the anti cheat issue. If we push for linux gaming, they are forced to either find a
spywarekernel anti cheat solution for linux or drop thespywarekernel anti cheat.This is the thing I agree with. This push will accelerate the advancement in gaming and other applications within computing. Compatibility will be priority across all types of hardware rather than restricted to corpoware. Additionally, efficiency would be increased rather than diminished with the pointless root access.
Naive talk about about restricting games which most people find as favourite goes completely against the direction this scene should follow.
IIRC, kernel level anti cheat works for linux. It’s at the company’s discretion if they enable support for Linux clients
Of course, it works. The tech was never the issue. The issue is that they think that linux is easier to modify to break the kernel anti cheat. It is a PR issue, when there is enough money, magically the pr issue is gone.
I think the main issue there is that the player base is not big enough to justify developing a kernel-level anti-cheat. The variability in Linux kernels might also be a bit of an issue.
The classic “it is not big enough” while actively preventing the user base to grow.
I stopped gaming because of this shit.
Of course. For a large corporation only having to support a single platform is perfect. Having to support multiple platforms increases the cost and we have to think of the poor, poor investors.
On the other hand, there are more than enough great indie devs making actually fun and innovative games.
Screw AAA games, they suck anyway.
Is it kernel level on Linux, though? It may have some privilege inside wine, but I’m never gonna give root access to some game.
No, EAC, BattilEye, and a handful of other anticheat solutions have a native user space linux binary, and wine provides a way for the windows portion to hook into the linux portion, allowing the anticheat host to work with wine/proton games.
This involves the developer enabling the option to allow this when building their game which most devs do except for the notorious few that refuse to enable it because they don’t want to spend the extra .00002% worth of budget into making proper anticheat solutions and instead rely on kernel rootkits to solve that problem for them.
They just don’t need to build their shit on something that requires wine. While there are solutions, just make it run natively.
You can literally install windows on it if you want
It makes no sense to me not allowing anticheat on unmotivated steamOS…
I mean, valve could even build something in, like secure mode, where you have a secure little linux root system for each anticheat game together with a online hash to check against this hole separated file system
Like when you start the game, steamOS boots in this separate root system
Unmotivated? Its a literal checkbox in the anticheats that games package to enable running in Proton. This is not Valve’s responsibility, but idiot or lazy game companies/devs.
Secure boot is what I think you’re thinking of because of Battlefield 6. But as I understand from just skimming it, its handled a bit differently in Linux than Windows, so unsure of how that could be handled or adapted for native Windows games.
Anti-cheat, even kernel level anti-cheat has worked on Linux for a very long time. Some of the most popular products used by AAA have been available for years. They just intentionally refuse to make their products work on Linux.
Remember Genshin Impact, for example. It literally has an internal flag that instantly closes the game if it detects it is running on Linux. There’s no technical limitation for any of those big multiplayer titles from working, they just don’t want them to.
If it does not work on Linux I simply won’t buy it.
Yes, the same. It being the machine of course
Machine, software, peripheral, whatever.
