I haven’t hosted my own matrix server yet. is it safe to join an instance? I don’t really know how private that would be. the question is when I signup/login would I be giving out my IP? is the metadata private? sorry for asking this, I’m just a bit paranoid

  • poVoq@lemmy.ml
    7·
    4 years ago

    Only if you self-host and the other person is also using an account on your server (or another trusted server).

    Edit: also note that Synapse has pretty hefty system requirements and the database quickly grows using many gigabytes of data.

    • Gwynne@lemmy.mlOP
      3·
      4 years ago

      I’ll have to make sure IRLs talk to me within or with their own servers. for online users I shouldn’t worry that much. is there a good matrix client for multiple accounts? I’m kind of leading a double life.

      • scrote@lemmy.ml
        5·
        4 years ago

        Mirage supports multiple accounts. It’s still in alpha but worth keeping an eye on. Most features work (including E2EE), but a couple are missing (emoji reactions aren’t shown/usable, and if someone edits a message it is instead shown as a new message).
        Fractal currently does not support E2EE or multiple accounts, but E2EE is coming in their new branch (Fractal-next) and multiple accounts are on their to-do.

        • Gwynne@lemmy.mlOP
          3·
          4 years ago

          because element is the most complete with features. only needs to implement TOR and Multiple accounts. and then I’m sold. for privacy and simplicity, I’ll just use xmpp

      • poVoq@lemmy.ml
        4·
        4 years ago

        I am not aware of one. But why not XMPP? Is is easier to self-host, works nicely over Tor and most clients have multi-account support. It also produces much less metadata and usually does not store it longer than necessary.

        • Gwynne@lemmy.mlOP
          3·
          4 years ago

          you have a point there… maybe I should just use XMPP+Mumble server for voIP. I’ll avoid matrix as for now as long as it has many privacy holes. and I already know how to use XMPP over tor which is convenient.

          how is XMPP’s end-to-end encryption though, I heard alot of varying opinions on that.

          • poVoq@lemmy.ml
            2·
            4 years ago

            For me e2ee on XMPP with OMEMO works fine, never had problems with it. But I guess your best experience will be if both sides use the Conversations client on Android.

          • poVoq@lemmy.ml
            4·
            4 years ago

            Could you explain a bit better what you mean? SIMPLE might be somewhat comparable purely as a protocol, but for all practical purposes is isn’t comparable to XMPP as there are no good clients and no federated network.

            • Echedenyan@lemmy.ml
              1·
              4 years ago

              There is federated network and good client. Linphone is an example. Jitsi (not Jitsi Meet) is other.

              You can send messages to any SIP account using SIMPLE.

              • poVoq@lemmy.ml
                1·
                4 years ago

                Weeeelll, technically. But there is no where near the same ecosystem as for XMPP. Also I don’t think there is e2ee for SIMPLE.

                • Echedenyan@lemmy.ml
                  1·
                  4 years ago

                  Every business here use SIP-Phones (calls only though), mostly with propietary implementations but is something very extended at business and institutions level.

                  • poVoq@lemmy.ml
                    1·
                    4 years ago

                    Yes I am aware that there are a lot of SIP phones, but are you seriously comparing that to XMPP? That is like saying WhatsApp is the same as snail-mail :p

            • Echedenyan@lemmy.ml
              1·
              4 years ago

              The XMPP calls are set in Jingle XEPs. AFAIK, there are big stability issues even with the XEPs for STUN/TURN discovery.

              • linkpop@lemmy.ml
                1·
                4 years ago

                Your experience may vary, but on my personal XMPP server with it’s own STUN/TURN server using conversations.im - calls pretty much Just Work (edit: I’ve only tried a call with a siskin client outside of conversations and that worked too).

        • jazzfes@lemmy.ml
          1·
          4 years ago

          What would be a good way to host your own XMPP server for messaging and video? I tried setting up ejabbert but didn’t get it to work for video… setting up a synapse server on the other hand was easier.

          Any other options? Or good ejabbert guides for that matter?

          • poVoq@lemmy.ml
            2·
            4 years ago

            You set up both synapse and jitsi-meet? Because Matrix does not natively support video at all and simply uses the XMPP based Jitsi-meet for it. Also did you setup your own identity service for Synapse? Because without both, you didn’t really self-host matrix :p

            In general though, getting video to work with STUN/TURN is a bit more involved. But this is a general issue and also happens if you self-host video support with Matrix.

            But you might have better luck with https://snikket.org/ which tries to include everything and is based on Prosody.