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  • fidibus@lemmy.161.social
    101·
    3 years ago

    What the fuck, why the hell would they name themselves mumble, just like the already existing voice chat application. I will never support people who do something like this.

    • Helix@lemmy.ml
      3·
      3 years ago

      Exactly. They probably deliberately confuse users to install their software and in consequence harm an existing FOSS project. Deplorable.

  • soferman@lemmy.ml
    102·
    3 years ago

    Not being libre & opensource as well as not being decentralised and federalized it’s not really an option.

    The best discord like experiences that are right now are:

    A) https://element.io/ which uses the matrix protocol

    B) https://gajim.org/ (Discord like UI not released yet) that uses the XMPP protocol

    • dualinverter@lemmy.ml
      2·
      3 years ago

      Genuinely clueless, is XMPP relevant anymore? I consider myself reasonably technical, and when it comes to chat, here’s what comes to mind:

      1. IRC
      2. Slack / Zulip / Mattermost
      3. Discord
      4. Matrix / Element

      If I was to use Gajim, who would I talk to? e.g any communities or projects

      • tronk@lemmy.ml
        2·
        3 years ago

        I see what you’re saying in that if I were to use a ‘pure’ XMPP client or server, I’d have trouble knowing who to talk to. Lemmy itself doesn’t use it, but rather uses Matrix!

        But XMPP is still incredibly relevant behind the scenes. It powers an absurd amount of software. An amount of devices equivalent to 2/7ths of the world population use it only in push notifications for Google and Apple services. This is vastly under-counting total use-cases, since XMPP is also implemented in plenty of messaging services (including WhatsApp), in organizations like the US military, and Internet of Thing devices.

        But these are invisible. So, as to your experience, it makes sense that XMPP is hidden rather than visible.

        You could say Matrix should be similar, given it’s just a protocol and the clients are the things we interact with. But I imagine having a foundation that so far works well to abide by its mission, having a company that advertises Matrix, governments that use it, and people like us who use it and let us know about it —all of that— makes it so that we use and talk about about Matrix and not XMPP?

        • dualinverter@lemmy.ml
          1·
          3 years ago

          I didn’t know push-notifications use XMPP. In the light of new (to me) knowledge, I’d like to rephrase my question:

          Are XMPP clients (e.g Gajim) relevant today? If I were to use one, what would I use it for?

      • soferman@lemmy.ml
        21·
        3 years ago

        The only thing that makes matrix more relevant than XMPP is that matrix has the element client and that matrix has a lot of momentum. But XMPP is a pretty great protocol that just needs better clients, branding and community stuff.

        Here is a video displaying the upcoming discord/slack-like UI for Gajim 1.4

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwZaZY2hYzA

        But yeah, matrix/element is the most relevant thing right now.

        (IRC is completely dead as a viable option for most people I think, only hardcore people use it)

    • gmate8@lemmy.mlOP
      21·
      3 years ago

      I don’t know, but if it will be operational again, I’ll ask the devs. It may be open, but I did not can find it.

      • Helix@lemmy.ml
        2·
        3 years ago

        if it will be operational again, I’ll ask the devs.

        I asked them and:

        The project is currently defunct and we are on the lookout for dev to continue building in this. Let me know if you know anyone who are interested in this space.

          • Qgpkje4rY5s@lemmy.ml
            7·
            3 years ago

            That doesn’t prove anything.

            Just because they utilize their libraries to make it decentralized does not make the entire application open source.

            I’ve searched around for 30 minutes and the whole platform is awfully sketchy. It’s made by a UX & marketing team (that seems to be their only focus), and they haven’t released any source code anywhere.

            I would not trust it.

            • Helix@lemmy.ml
              2·
              3 years ago

              For an app made by a UX team, their mobile website’s UX is pretty shitty.

              • Ninmi@sopuli.xyz
                51·
                3 years ago

                Open source is at the foundation for privacy, so I’d suggest posting again once they publish their code. For now I don’t think it’s relevant here.

  • Reaton@lemmy.ml
    6·
    3 years ago

    It seems pretty interesting but as always the biggest problem is gonna be the user base. But since it looks much more like Discord than Element does, I guess it’s gonna be a bit more easy to get your friends to join. So yeah I also think it’s worth a try.

    Edit: I thought this was open-source. Therefore I would not try it until they open their sources (if only they want to do so).

    • IanThePirate@lemmy.ml
      7·
      3 years ago

      The problem is always that, no matter what it is, evento if it’s better. If people are usted to somethung, they won’t change it and I bate that :/