Russian President Vladimir Putin is urging Russians to have more children.
"Large families must become the norm," Putin said in a speech Tuesday.
Russian birth rates are falling amid war in Ukraine and a deepening economic crisis.
Russian President Vladimir Putin is urging women to have as many as eight children as the number of dead Russian soldiers continues to rise in his war with Ukraine, worsening the country’s population crisis.
Addressing the World Russian People’s Council in Moscow on Tuesday, Putin said the country must return to a time when large families were the norm.
“Many of our grandmothers and great-grandmothers, had seven, eight, or even more children,” Putin said.
I find it hard to imagine wanting to have kids just so your dictator has more meat to feed into his meat grinder. Perhaps the only good news is Putin hopefully doesn’t have 18 more years in him, so the kids won’t have to deal with him directly, but who knows who will sit in the throne next…
You’re already projecting compassion he doesn’t have by assuming he’d wait for them to turn 18. If he thought it would work, he’d march 5 year olds in bomb vests over the border then have Elon announce that Ukraine kills children.
Dont give him ideas
Yeah “make more people for me to kill” doesn’t seem like a winning message.
I mean it’s unlikely Putin lives another 16 years, so even if they’re sending 15 year olds to the front this won’t help the war machine
It’s more about long-term population loss. There’s a reason combined-arms forces are used and mass infantry assaults are not. Problem is, Russian military hardware sucks for a lot of different and systemic reasons so that option isn’t realistic over a large theater.
Putin is straight up bleeding Russia out and it’s really sad that this many people are displaced and dying over one man’s ego and lust for his station.
The hate of men will pass and dictators die and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die liberty will never perish.
I wonder if women will start getting medals for babies, like soviet times? Another question, if these women are raising 8 kids, and all the men are dead in a sunflower field south of Avdivika, who the hell is supposed to be working in Russia for the next generation? Just banking on enslaving Ukraine to pay for the cost of enslaving Ukraine?
That’s probably what Russia was roughly planning to do, yeah.
They actually introduced pretty much that exact thing back in 2008, the Order of Parental Glory. Have more children to fuel the machine, please
Wait, what? Interesting. I didn’t know about its existance.
Narayana Murthy: People should be working 70 hours/week.
Vladimir Putin: Why so few?
I’ve haven’t been following Russian related news, so I may be too late to suggest that Putin plans to cannibalize Belarus sometime soon.
He will probably do it between 2024 and 2030
Hey Putine, let me help ……
All you gotta do is excuse people from military service for being a parent. Pretty soon all military aged males will be parents and you’ll greatly reduce the number of deaths in Ukraine. Win-win
That’s actually pretty brilliant. Although it would also grind new recruits to a halt. It’s almost like he should retreat and take the L and try rebuilding
All you gotta do is excuse people from military service for being a parent. Pretty soon all military aged males will be parents and you’ll greatly reduce the number of deaths in Ukraine. Win-win
Sorta kinda exists, but you need at least 4 children below 18 years. But I don’t think this increases amount of military aged males or any doctors being parents.
Oh, so you need to start at the age of 14 max.
“…so that I can send your children to be killing in my war…” Putin, probably.
As long as they aren’t being aborted then it’s fine, duh
Imma start up a mail order groom app for those russian ladies
*Male order
Ah, so Russian women are broodmares for the state now?
Always have been.
Why past tense? They’re still dying.
Shh, don’t let those still alive know that!
Equal to abortion banning propaganda in the west.
By what metric?
Lack of abortion access breeds poverty. Poverty breeds the human grist for our military industrial complex mill. +Tie in to for-profit prison slave labor and inability to break the economic cycle of generational poverty and feed a cheap labor economy
Similar reasons and similar propaganda.
[edit: typo on prison]
Equal in the metric of people able to be sent to the war at 18.
They’ve had a population crisis in Russia for at least 20 years.
More like 120 years.
That’s why even if Russia wins the war or got some concessions, it will be a Pyrrhic victory. They’re already experiencing population decline because of massive emigration aside from lower birth rate (which is why Putin is paying lip service to the conservative religious Russians to promote more birth, and in turn endeared him to conservatives across the world). The war will add to the burden of the Russian people on top of corruption and debt after the conflict.
They need the dogma of out breeding the competition so they can maintain a labor class without giving up any of the hoarded resources.
No sane people want to breed in our current conditions anywhere, so gotta make them insane with promises of eternal hurrdurr if only you crank out babies for God.
They need the dogma of out breeding the competition
That’s why the far-right in the West would love women to go back to their old baby churning role…
Blood for the blood god.
If this is true, this has to be the ultimate way of not really dealing with the population crisis upon us. Not saying any government is doing a great job here as they are all beating around the bush and not addressing root causes, but this one from Putin has to be the most delusional of them all.
There is no population crisis, unless you mean there are too many people. Most of the work we do is entirely unnecessary and only exists to help billionaires become trillionaires. At least that’s the case in countries that don’t need meat to throw in front of bullets.
Necessary jobs are mostly farming, mining, manufacturing, and customer service. The first two have already been automated to need only a tiny percentage of the workforce they once require. Manufacturing is mostly there as well, and is getting closer all the time. Customer service still employs a lot of humans, but even those jobs are being replaced or augmented with physical or logical bots.
The crisis is that without enough babies, there will not be enough young people to support the older people. It is why places like Canada have such high immigration as it offsets the lack of births from Canadian citizens. Now, it is a crisis from a planet health perspective. No. It is the best thing that could happen right now as we really could use less people and their associated carbon emissions, but it will still impact the economy hard especially since it is becoming a steep birth rate decline in so many countries. Feels like a free fall right now and to address is going to take as much change as it will take to fix the climate emergency. Might even have some of the same solutions.
Lucky we have automation and AI making everyone jobless, will be plenty of people and machines to look after the older generations
That is a real crisis on the horizon as the evidence so far is that there is no support for those who get displaced. I am counting down the days till my career is replaced. I am Imagineering a VR Theme Park and am certain that in the years to come you will be able to ask AI to make you one via a prompt and it will customize it to your tastes. When that happens I need to find a new career. Unsure what but I am hopeful that new careers will open up that we cannot foresee today. That or we will all be in a hellscape of which I have positioned myself to weather.
I think if we don’t change the system then we’re going to have a world of hurt for pretty much everyone, if we do change the system into something that facilitate an existence where people can survive periods without work or with minimal work then it could become a golden age.
A lot of the big problems with that comes from legacy obsessions which persist even when technical solutions have displaced the need or reason behind them. Building sites are already nothing like they used to be, the cost of construction has fallen dramatically especially in labour time but house prices rise because they’re not tied to construction cost but availability, which is often kept purposely low so rich people who run government can have big numbers in their balance s sheets. At some point this stress point will fracture.
Subtle automation already makes things like surveying and designing incredibly easy, we’re not far from the point where ai assisted architecture tools are as easy to use as the Sims and will produce plans which can be automatically passed or rejected for the technical side of planning. Not only will more visible forms of automation like concrete shuttering and pouring become more widely adopted this again reducing the time and cost of construction but they’ll have sensor driven analysis which can be uploaded to local authorities for instant inspection and verification. Likewise for cable routing, pipework, insulation, plastering, brickwork, roofing, decorating…
When a house can be demolished and rebuilt in weeks for the cost of machine rental and materials then the housing crisis will fade away, especially when industrial areas shrink due to efficiency of automation, office space gets repurposed, and transport infrastructure gains efficiency - areas like where I live in the UK with absurd property prices are almost certainly going to see automated construction tools take a lot of industry and transport underground - shooting cargo down small underground networks could replace a huge amount of road and rail usage which would be a huge positive for people and free up space for housing.
I got off track but what I’m getting at is we can use these things to solve major problems in our society, but we need to make sure people can lose their job and go through peeiods of adjustment without it ruining their life.
I agree, but as you pointed out, we already have many tools to solve most of our global issues, but instead we carry on like we like in a scarcity world. I am concerned about the AI disruption as I am not seeing evidence of us really caring for those impacted let alone the millions impacted daily by how the global economy is run. We can fix so many things, but don’t. Heck, even getting rid of day light savings is a cause too far it seems despite overwhelming support.
That is depressingly true, though I do think there’s hope. I’m in a lot of open source dev and design communities, they’re flourishing and growing steadily because they’re able to build on all the prior developments. Every day people are writing code to improve design tools, and writing code to improve programming languages and development environments so that it’s easier to make better design tools … and the better the design tools get the easier it is to make better designs on them, easier to build on prior open source designs and improve or customise them.
I already use AI coding tools in my open source project, they’re awkward and not always useful but for certain tasks they can save hours - for example I got it to divide a circle into an arbitrary amount of sections and return the quadrant coordinates, I could have worked it out and coded it myself but not doing things like that allows me to make much more progress. The easier it gets to code the more time I’ll be focused on making it do useful things which will result in a far better product.
Likewise the complexity and quality of stuff I see on 3d printing model sites continues to improve, printers continue to improve… We can’t be far away from ai assisted pick&place enabling complex electronics to be built into designs - there will be a cheap open source printer that can make everything except the magnets in the motors. A lot of companies are going to find the their entire product line is completing against items that can be made better and cheaper in any tech guys garage.
It wasn’t eBay that took down Tandy and Maplins it was the people with any garage space buying the same bulk orders of components but selling them without the overheads. The same will happen to Hotpoint and Logitech, people who have bootstrapped high quality fabrication labs in the garage selling things made from open source designs.
They won’t be able to stop it, they might slow it for a while but progress is as a river in that you can only hold it back so long.
There is no population crisis, unless you mean there are too many people.
Barring climate change or World War 3 doesn’t get us first, if things are going the way it does now, we’re expecting global population decline or it could plateau. Countries across the world is experiencing increase in standards of living so we can expect decline in birth rates too in proportion.
What makes that a bad thing?
Necessary jobs are mostly farming, mining, manufacturing, and customer service.
And elder care, which is set to be a real growth industry
That’s fair, but even in that there is a whole lot that automation can do to address the ratio of elderly to caregivers. Japan is ahead of the curve on population decline, and they are not exactly fond of immigrants. That has been a huge driver behind the development of technologies for elder care.
I have a friend who left Russia to get away from bullshit like the Order of Maternal Glory.
I’d have left too. This is insane.
Looked up. It is order of coutry that no longer exists. It is impossible to get one.
Let’s keep going until there’s a 1:39 male to female ratio. That’d be ideal. Not strange at all.
Let’s keep going until there’s a 1:39 male to female ratio. That’d be ideal. Not strange at all.
It’s not about the ratio, it’s about a total amount of bodies, regardless of gender, available to run/work the country, in the future generations.
They already took a big hit in World War II, and they’re taking another hit now, and most nations taking two pop hits in a row don’t recover well.
Best climate change refuge ever
Maybe he doesn’t realize it’ll take a couple decades, and he’ll be dead by then, for any women having children now to see them old enough to fight or have any impact on the country
I think he’s under the delusion that he will remain in power until he’s 90
Or he firmly believes his successor (whenever that happens) will glorify him as a savior of some sort and be left with a glorious country, full of opportunities for the young adults. Delusions are free, just like dreams
I don’t think he plans to leave power.
I don’t think he plans to leave country alive
I don’t think any of us leave this life alive
I mean I don’t think he plans to not kill country.
That’s what I’m saying essentially. Though maybe I gave him too much credit by thinking he might relinquish power when he’s on death’s door.
He’s a victim of his own purging culture. I’m sure he is afraid that when he is out of power, he will be purged, just like how he purged his competition.
Same with Xi of China.
