Really? The first thing you do when seeing this is tell people to vote for Genocide Joe instead of saying “actually let’s try to get a third party going”.
"No guys we have to vote for Hitler, Stalin is way worse! ".
That’s not true either, it is simply that democracy is complex and messy. Vote in primaries, campaign for better candidates, and pay money to organizations that support the things that matter most to you.
There’s a whole Wikipedia page of dominant parties that reigned supreme as a duopoly in this country until a third party came along and dethroned them. What you just said shows a shocking ignorance of history. Vote whig.
There is a whole Wikipedia page showing changes in name. The function of the first past the post system means these are fundamentally the same constructs with different branding. If a party replaces democrats or republicans, then we will be back in the same place in an election cycle.
You could say the exact same thing for the exact same reasons about the US government. If you can’t fix a rotton organization, then any attempt at political action in the United States is a fools errand. Thankfully, you’re just talking out of your ass. We get it, you’re edgy.
Setting aside that you know nothing of my voting history, this is entirely irrelevant.
The Democratic party used to be what the Republicans are today. Eventually they became the party of FDR and the new deal. Now they are the party of Bill Clinton and third way neoliberal corporatism. Things change, and we can influence the direction of that change. Forcing Biden to the left has made him a better president than anyone on the left expected. He’s still not the president we want, but we shifted him in the right direction. The Democratic party as a whole is better now than it was 10 years ago.
Go ahead and piss on the progress that’s been made, but then be prepared to explain how third party movements have done any better.
You’re doing way worse than throwing away your vote, you’re voting FOR genocide. If you and other Dem voters who want to feel good about yourself weren’t cowards and voted Green we wouldn’t be perpetuating a genocide in the first place.
Any vote is for genocide. You’re voting for either a self avowed zionist (Biden) a literal Nazi (Trump) or throwing away your vote to allow the literal Nazi to win.
No one voting Stein would ever vote Biden so that’s untrue. A tired old argument that’s lost it’s luster, just like all your arguments for voting for Biden.
not really: eyewitness testimony is some of the worst we can ask for. you should ask carville, though, you don’t have to: he’s in the mini-doc i linked.
Really? The first thing you do when seeing this is tell people to vote for Genocide Joe instead of saying “actually let’s try to get a third party going”.
"No guys we have to vote for Hitler, Stalin is way worse! ".
There are no third parties until ranked choice voting.
Then there is no democracy.
A vote for Biden is a vote for Genocide.
A vote for Trump is a vote for Genocide.
Now you’re getting it
That’s not true either, it is simply that democracy is complex and messy. Vote in primaries, campaign for better candidates, and pay money to organizations that support the things that matter most to you.
Yeah before you start talking about student loans maybe you should adress the “committing genocide” part.
It’s like saying “yeah I voted for Hitler, he was big on our forgiving ww1 loans! The Nazi stuff doesn’t really affect me so I don’t care about it.”
Or we could just have a civil war and get it over with
There’s a whole Wikipedia page of dominant parties that reigned supreme as a duopoly in this country until a third party came along and dethroned them. What you just said shows a shocking ignorance of history. Vote whig.
There is a whole Wikipedia page showing changes in name. The function of the first past the post system means these are fundamentally the same constructs with different branding. If a party replaces democrats or republicans, then we will be back in the same place in an election cycle.
Third parties are fairytale nonsense. We fix the Democratic party, or we fail.
There is nothing too fix. It’s rotten from the top and it won’t allow anything to rise which isn’t under its control.
You cannot fix a rotten organization by joining it. You have to create a new one.
You could say the exact same thing for the exact same reasons about the US government. If you can’t fix a rotton organization, then any attempt at political action in the United States is a fools errand. Thankfully, you’re just talking out of your ass. We get it, you’re edgy.
The corrupt politiicians aren’t getting elected by themselves. You’re voting them in.
Setting aside that you know nothing of my voting history, this is entirely irrelevant.
The Democratic party used to be what the Republicans are today. Eventually they became the party of FDR and the new deal. Now they are the party of Bill Clinton and third way neoliberal corporatism. Things change, and we can influence the direction of that change. Forcing Biden to the left has made him a better president than anyone on the left expected. He’s still not the president we want, but we shifted him in the right direction. The Democratic party as a whole is better now than it was 10 years ago.
Go ahead and piss on the progress that’s been made, but then be prepared to explain how third party movements have done any better.
You will never get a 3rd party going. Perot had the best chance in '92 and only ensured Clinton got elected.
Then let’s hope the Dems remove Genocide Joe as their nominee for the next election.
Also never say never. Trump started off as an epic meme candidate too at 1% polling.
I’m voting for the Green party because of your post, thanks!
Congratulations on throwing away your vote. I’m sure the 0.2% of people who voted Green in 2020 will welcome you with open arms.
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/decision-2020/2020/11/05/howie-hawkins-gets-2--of-vote-nationwide--worries-of-party-stance-in-ny
You’re doing way worse than throwing away your vote, you’re voting FOR genocide. If you and other Dem voters who want to feel good about yourself weren’t cowards and voted Green we wouldn’t be perpetuating a genocide in the first place.
no, a vote for biden or a republican is a vote for genocide. a vote against both of them is a vote against genocide.
Any vote is for genocide. You’re voting for either a self avowed zionist (Biden) a literal Nazi (Trump) or throwing away your vote to allow the literal Nazi to win.
Those are your ONLY choices.
last time i voted green and biden won. what is the mechanic by which trump will win this time?
Not choosing a dog in this fight of the conversation overall, but to answer your point specifically, if the youth vote stays home and doesn’t vote.
Last election Biden won in key States by a few thousands of votes, with a high amount of young voters voting in those states.
i know it’s unrelated to whether i vote for a third party in yet-another-election. the question was rhetorical.
A closer race? It ain’t rocket science.
my vote made Joe Biden win last time by the logic I’ve seen here. I’m going to keep voting for people who oppose genocide.
False. I won’t be voting for genocide unlike you. A vote for Jill Stein is 100x more productive to Palestinian liberation.
A vote for Jill Stein helps elect Trump. Congrats, you just voted for genocide. Only here.
only a vote for trump helps elect trump.
No one voting Stein would ever vote Biden so that’s untrue. A tired old argument that’s lost it’s luster, just like all your arguments for voting for Biden.
Not proud. I voted for Perot. I was dumb and young. He had charts and graphs.
92 or 96? 92? Nobody blames you. :) 96? That’s on you!
the analysis shows that perot actually hurt clinton’s margin of victory.
Not if you knew any Perot supporters… He was Ron Paul before it was cool. :)
https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/the-ross-perot-myth/
your anecdote doesn’t debunk fivetgirtyeight
It helps that I was on the ground living it in '92, fivethirtyeight was not.
not really: eyewitness testimony is some of the worst we can ask for. you should ask carville, though, you don’t have to: he’s in the mini-doc i linked.