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Much of this has already been done. Element app just got 30million dollars and looks like it’s on the path to main stream adoption and tackle some of the bigtech out there. It would be great if lemmy and forums could hop on their coat tails for the ride
Sure, Element has changed a lot, but not regarding the discordification discussed in the linked Issue. You can go through and compare, but most features on this list are prioritised for end of 2021/ start of 2022. They’re only getting traction since a year or so.
I’m following Matrix development closely and have written proprietary connectors to third party software. Matrix is great but there’s no feature parity with Discord yet. I don’t need it as I use Mumble for voice, Jitsi for video, both are already possible to integrate into Matrix.
But I also dislike you trying to disprove my point by an irrelevant metric. At least do your research before you claim a lot has changed when most of it is still work in progress. Matrix will be there™ very soon. It’s just not there now.
irrelevant metric? that’s an interesting reality you have going there, watch you don’t step outside cause it might break. You give no proof to your claims unlike I did. Looking at the list many of the unticked features have already been implemented, maybe most of them. I could go through one by and one with proof but won’t bother as you clearly have not either.
I don’t get how people think this VC funding is a good thing. Matrix like Discord is run by a highly over VC funded for-profit company and both will turn on their users for profit extraction sooner or later.
XMPP and IRC are the real alternatives. Matrix is the the uber of IRC :(
It’s worth keeping an eye out for, but as long as the profit or value extraction is just making Matrix a communication tool they can use without licensing fees associated with other team communication tools, that’s fine. It’s not like the capital behind Linux development has driven Linux in any way towards extracting money or value from end users.
Yes lets see, but VC funding is significantly different then corporate sponsoring as in the case of the Linux Kernel. VC funding basically means the company has to bring in extremely high returns of investment (500% or more) or go bust trying to reach that.
This is true, if it’s truly a VC investment rather than simply an investment with an expectation of bringing a technology up to usable standards then it’s a little concerning. I admit, I have no idea if that is the case.
AFAIK the current 30 million mostly come from a medium tier investment company that probably itself isn’t interested in profit extraction from users yet, but will rather look into making New Vector look pretty for acquisition of a large tech-company like Microsoft or some sort of IPO on the stock market.
Seems like a dubious proposition to me, though I’m far from an expert in that regard. Hopefully they use the money to pay developers to make rapid improvements and the commercial ambitions of the firm don’t pan out. ;)
I think it is quite realistic to expect a buy-out from a bigger European tech company (SAP? German Telekom?) that thinks it can siphon off more government contracts and pretend to catch up to the US tech giants in front of their shareholders. And as shitty as that probably sounds, this is likely still among the “best” possible outcomes. The open-source community can only lose in this setup and are fools for cheering about this money injection.
exactly, and the company behind element already surprisingly seems quite financially successful so I doubt this much money will change things massively.
NEW VECTOR LIMITED is located in LONDON, United Kingdom and is part of the Computer Systems Design and Related Services Industry. NEW VECTOR LIMITED has 16 employees at this location and generates $5.18 million in sales (USD). (Employees figure is estimated, Sales figure is modelled).
This is also all with the support of the core people behind matrix and element, so if anything was nefarious it would be stuffed either way as the team would be corrupt.
Money is good as a function of our economy, but the issue you point out is concerning. It really depends on the conditions attached to the funding, like will it compromise the project somehow. The funding is just as likely to be from an intelligence agencies VC arm to alter the code for their benefit. I have seen mentions that Matrix is being used now in things that “can’t” be mentioned. Ideally open source should be able to circumvent such interference but not easily I think.
Cool, I’ll add it to my wiki page about Discord.
Discord sucks. Thankfully, Matrix devs are already working on their discordification.
Much of this has already been done. Element app just got 30million dollars and looks like it’s on the path to main stream adoption and tackle some of the bigtech out there. It would be great if lemmy and forums could hop on their coat tails for the ride
The meta Issue I linked has 2 out of 26 tasks done, which I’d hardly count as ‘much of this’.
and it was last edited 2.5 years ago, element has surely changed a lot since then.
Sure, Element has changed a lot, but not regarding the discordification discussed in the linked Issue. You can go through and compare, but most features on this list are prioritised for end of 2021/ start of 2022. They’re only getting traction since a year or so.
I’m following Matrix development closely and have written proprietary connectors to third party software. Matrix is great but there’s no feature parity with Discord yet. I don’t need it as I use Mumble for voice, Jitsi for video, both are already possible to integrate into Matrix.
But I also dislike you trying to disprove my point by an irrelevant metric. At least do your research before you claim a lot has changed when most of it is still work in progress. Matrix will be there™ very soon. It’s just not there now.
irrelevant metric? that’s an interesting reality you have going there, watch you don’t step outside cause it might break. You give no proof to your claims unlike I did. Looking at the list many of the unticked features have already been implemented, maybe most of them. I could go through one by and one with proof but won’t bother as you clearly have not either.
The age of an Issue is an irrelevant metric. The content is relevant.
where did I mention the age of an issue?
I don’t get how people think this VC funding is a good thing. Matrix like Discord is run by a highly over VC funded for-profit company and both will turn on their users for profit extraction sooner or later.
XMPP and IRC are the real alternatives. Matrix is the the uber of IRC :(
It’s worth keeping an eye out for, but as long as the profit or value extraction is just making Matrix a communication tool they can use without licensing fees associated with other team communication tools, that’s fine. It’s not like the capital behind Linux development has driven Linux in any way towards extracting money or value from end users.
Yes lets see, but VC funding is significantly different then corporate sponsoring as in the case of the Linux Kernel. VC funding basically means the company has to bring in extremely high returns of investment (500% or more) or go bust trying to reach that.
This is true, if it’s truly a VC investment rather than simply an investment with an expectation of bringing a technology up to usable standards then it’s a little concerning. I admit, I have no idea if that is the case.
AFAIK the current 30 million mostly come from a medium tier investment company that probably itself isn’t interested in profit extraction from users yet, but will rather look into making New Vector look pretty for acquisition of a large tech-company like Microsoft or some sort of IPO on the stock market.
Seems like a dubious proposition to me, though I’m far from an expert in that regard. Hopefully they use the money to pay developers to make rapid improvements and the commercial ambitions of the firm don’t pan out. ;)
I think it is quite realistic to expect a buy-out from a bigger European tech company (SAP? German Telekom?) that thinks it can siphon off more government contracts and pretend to catch up to the US tech giants in front of their shareholders. And as shitty as that probably sounds, this is likely still among the “best” possible outcomes. The open-source community can only lose in this setup and are fools for cheering about this money injection.
I don’t really see how much bad could come of it. Maybe they start trying to hamfist ToS or license changes into the code, but then it’ll be forked.
At worst they do some crazy data harvesting on the main instance, causing an exodus of users onto either self-hosted or other public instances.
exactly, and the company behind element already surprisingly seems quite financially successful so I doubt this much money will change things massively.
https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.new_vector_limited.dc4a183b6aa1b44f286393c47faf4410.html
This is also all with the support of the core people behind matrix and element, so if anything was nefarious it would be stuffed either way as the team would be corrupt.
https://matrix.org/blog/2021/07/27/element-raises-30-m-to-boost-matrix
Money is good as a function of our economy, but the issue you point out is concerning. It really depends on the conditions attached to the funding, like will it compromise the project somehow. The funding is just as likely to be from an intelligence agencies VC arm to alter the code for their benefit. I have seen mentions that Matrix is being used now in things that “can’t” be mentioned. Ideally open source should be able to circumvent such interference but not easily I think.