I was told growing up that I won’t like socialism once I have to start paying taxes. I pay taxes, but would much rather pay way more taxes to have socialism. Including paying for social programs I wouldn’t use like welfare, free tuition etc.

Once I qualified for work pharmacare that was great! But I remember how much it sucked not having any health insurance. Yeah I bootstrapped it, but I’d hope we would grow up as a species and not have to have so much bootstrapping, since there are better ways at this point.

  • @DPUGT2@lemmy.ml
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    02 years ago

    Please don’t be an idiot and look at all the places in the world where they have/had no police

    You’re asking me to not be an idiot… and your statement here is classic textbook fallacy. There are better explanations for those places and their chaos than “they don’t have police”. And there are nearly as many examples of places without police and the lack of chaos, which your theory fails to account for.

    You’re doing the “this magic rock keeps tigers away” and screaming “do you see any tigers?!!?!” when I point out that it’s not magic.

    So you have a problem with police being too trigger happy

    No, I have a problem with sociology where the police can’t ever be fixed because their pathological culture will persist if even one is allowed to remain on the job, but that we can’t start from scratch with an all new corps of cops. I have a problem where if the Nuremberg principle were in force, we’d have to hang them all from lamp posts. “I’m only enforcing the law” is semantically identical to “only following orders”, if you’re too dim to connect those dots.

    the obvious solution is give the police more training,

    Training can’t fix that. If you have some removed in a factory who keeps installing the components backwards, training can fix that because he doesn’t realize what it is he’s supposed to be doing, and once educated, might start doing it correctly.

    This isn’t a case of a cop who thought his taser was a tickle wand. This is someone who’s a cruel fuck who values compliance to his orders more than the safety of the public that imbeciles believe to be the purpose of police departments. Training can’t fix that because it’s not “ignorance of how the job is supposed to be performed”, but that he likes doing it that way. It gives him a thrill.

    Training can’t ever fix that. Training fixes a far different, far milder problem.

    put proper accountability measures in place

    Also impossible. It’s not as if that hasn’t been tried in the past, with the very predictable failures proving themselves inevitable.

    Who does the accounting? How do they have the authority to make their rulings stick, when police unions get everything overturned?

    Fuck, who would prosecute the cases of abuse? Do you know who sits outside in a squad car all night when someone threatens to kill a prosecutor’s kid for revenge? It’s the cops. Prosecutors know this, they appreciate it, and so they always are willing to wrist-slap. And the ones that aren’t don’t last very long.

    not to have a kneejerk reaction and stereotype all police as bad and useless.

    Bad police are never arrested. Why is that? If they are some secret little 1% hiding in the woodpile doing bad stuff when no one’s there to notice, why don’t the 99% of good cops do their own laundry?

    It’s because there are no good ones. Even if they don’t get a hardon abusing people, they make sure that they’re on the other side of town when the call comes in that they recognize as one that will lead to abuse. If they don’t have to see it, they don’t have to feel guilty for letting it happen. That’s the best case. As far as I can tell, more often they rush to go help. It’s fun, after all. Every once in awhile, you hear of one or another who isn’t a complete sociopath, who because they’re clever or lucky, slips through a academy/hiring process meant to filter them out.

    They end up dead in a ditch, or so frustrated and burnt out that they quit after a year or two.

    All bad. To the last one.

    My theory explains what we see and hear in the real world. Yours relies on sticking your fingers in your ears and chanting LA LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU LA LA LA over and over.

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      22 years ago

      Please do go somewhere without police and report back to me.