crossposted from here: https://lemmy.eus/post/10482
I believe that XMPP is one of the best protocols for chat communications there is, and I stand up for it. However, the clients that there are, are not comfortable for most people out there used to apps like Telegram, Whatsapp or whatever.
One can defend current XMPP clients saying that quoting with "> " is the traditional way, or that swiping to quote a message is not worth developing; I have plenty more examples like this.
Well, if you think so, OK, use those clients for yourself, but become aware that many people won’t use XMPP for just this reason.
After saying all this, I want to tell that I am willing to develop a new, modern looking and comfortable client for XMPP. I think of a client for Android in first instance, but I would have no problem on going further.
However, I don’t know programming, so I’m searching programmers who would like to get involved in this.
Although I’m not programmer, I have experience developing software projects, from internationalization to documentation, including ideas about features, testing and all other work there can be.
Will you help me spreading the word? :)
If you’re making a new XMPP client for android, please build in Tor support, so that the user doesn’t need to mess around with Orbot.
That already exists in Conversations! Settings>Expert>Connection
Doesn’t Conversations do what you want? It has been years I have not used it, but seeing it updates from f-droid I believe so.
If not, maybe you could make good proposals for them and the forked projects like quicksy and the like.
Conversations is only on mobile.
Mobile is used note that computers by the masses. However there are project like Movim and forks for the desktop and the web.
I would like to see modern xmpp. IMO xmpp isn’t easy enough for mass adoption, like how irc isn’t modern enough either.
Xmpp is fediverse?
It’s not fediverse, but yes a federated network
I saw the FOSDEM 2019 presentation by Goffi of Salut a Toi that takes away some of the misconceptions about XMPP. Recommend watching XMPP Beyond Instant Messaging How we use XMPP to do many neat features.
While Fediverse is often associated to the interconnected apps as shown below, arguably any federated protocol can be said to be part of ‘fediverse fabric’, especially when bridges to other protocols are being developed.
Discord and matrix can bridge, but that doesn’t make discord fediverse :p Also, the wikipedia needs updating then, because matrix was on the fediverse page, but was removed due to it not being considered fediverse. Which i think would also apply to xmpp
Yes, it is a good point. What constitutes Fediverse and what not if often in the eye of the beholder. Maybe it is best to stick to the picture above as that seems to represent the most common understanding of it. The other day I was having a discussion with someone saying that Lemmy isn’t part of the Fediverse, since it doesn’t federate with other common fedi apps as yet (Mastodon, etc.). Couldn’t find where I had that conversation, but I disagree of that definition. I see the protocol implementation as the deciding factor, and the level of interoperability as irrelevant Fediverse ‘citizenship’ (in a future hyper-diverse fedi almost no app will have full compat with all the others anyway, while they all support some of the ‘social fabric’ that fedi offers).
in a future hyper-diverse fedi almost no app will have full compat with all the others anyway,
This is a very good point.
Maybe fediverse’s definition should be changed to include all FOSS federated decentralized services?
Xmpp is fediverse?
yes, because it federated with so-called instances using the same protocol which makes it a part of the fediverse
fun fact, the xmpp protocol is based off Activitypub, look it up
XMPP (XML based) is totally different from ActivityPub (JSON-LD based) and even predates ActivityPub by about 15 years.
There are some efforts to bridge XMPP with the ActivityPub fediverse though.
It’s decentralized, but federated. Email isn’t considered Fediverse either and I think it’s closer to xmpp. That said, I think both could become federated if other applications used their protocols and now that I think about it there’s at least a messenger using email protocol, so it probably is?
