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Hey guys, there is a lot of troll baiting in this thread. You’ve been doing a great job of not falling for it, so I’m not going to lock it. Newbies to this thread, check the times of when it was made and if it brings up the distant past a lot, those are good clues. Leave one comment at most to save everyone’s sanity.
Twice!
We’ve had first impeachment, yes. But what about second impeachment?
We also had that! What about third impeachment?
That ship has sailed decades ago. The US hasn’t been officially at war since 1945, and the congress has for all intents and purposes gave up on that power.
The speed Congress gave up their constitutional powers to avoid repurcusions for having opinions and voting for them is crazy. But I guess being able to give yourself a raise every year for doing nothing is tempting.
To be fair to the US Congress (AFAIK) no one as been formally at war since 1945 - and unless I’m forgetting anything it would actually make the US Congress the last ones to declare war on anyone.
Since WW2 everything is framed as a peacekeeping mission (when approved even if only implicitly by the UN Security Council), a civil war, helping the legitimate government in a civil war (US in Vietnam or Soviet Union in Afghanistan for example), or when every other excuse fails a pre-emptive special military operation (US in Iraq, Russia in Ukraine, Israel in all of their neighbours + Iran).
And this is a good thing. Declarations of war makes war a legitimate thing. In the past it was a noble and goodly thing to do, all of the correct paperwork has been submitted and so now it’s good and proper for you to go over there and kill those people that have different uniforms.
Also a declaration of war means going from 0 to 100 on everything. There’s no escalation and also no de-escalation. Probably not a good thing to instantly go 0 to 100 once nuclear weapons became a thing.
People often decry how war is no longer a legitimate thing because there’s no longer declarations of war. The reality is, war never was a legitimate thing. Declarations of war were just powerful people making the act of sending people out to kill and be killed seem legitimate.
Yes, the “special operations” and “coalitions of the willing” stuff is bullshit. But so were declarations of war. It’s better you think about whether a military action is actually needed rather than believing a war is proper simply because the people in power did the paperwork correctly.
Declarations of war are bad, but they were made hard to do in modern states. Almost every single countries have rules and procedures in place to make sure a hot head can’t do it over the weekend.
“Special Military Operations” undid all those efforts by putting all the powers back in the hands of a single person.
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Classic war just doesn’t have any appeal these days
The actual purpose of congress is to violently enforce capitalism by rubber stamping imperialism, policing, prisons, etc.
Oh, you mean like how he was impeached in his first term in office and nothing changed?
Both impeachments were acquitted by the Senate after the House passed them.
Point taken, but I don’t see it going any differently this time around.
Nope. Its theater.
Not sure who still isn’t getting this.
There is a literal American traitor in the Oval Office. One who has flagrantly violated the law, and specifically the Constitution, numerous times.
Impeachment is meaningless, as we’ve witnessed multiple times in American history. Impeachment is an acceptable process if the violation is minimal and not repeated. It’s a slap on the wrist. A warning.
We are WAY beyond a symbolic slap on the wrist with no real repercussions. Impeachment is not a valid tool to use in a situation like this. At minimum, we are at the point where there needs to be massive protests like we just saw, repeatedly, until he is removed from office. If that fails, then there needs to be a general strike until he’s removed. If that fails, then he needs to be removed from office by force.
If we can’t manage these things, we will continue seeing the degradation of our freedoms, the collapse of our economy, the destruction of our founding document, signaling the end of our democracy, and the hole we’ll end up finding ourselves in will be one we won’t see this country come out of for the remainder of our lives.
It is time to remove this traitor and his treasonous enablers from their positions of power.
If that dude knew how to fucking aim
Yeah lets impeach the already twice impeached president, surely third times the charm… right guys ?
/s
I think Rachel Maddow has his tax returns, WE GOT HIM
Emoluments abuse should be open and shut.
And yet here we are, winning bigly in the Middle East.
Are you ?
They had a better chance of impeaching him for Jan 6th for actual insurrection than they do this time. Why? Because there are so many legal loop holes with the War Time Powers Act and the 2001 Authorization of The Use of Military Force. These loopholes were used by both Bush Jr. and Obama for various justifications for air strikes so the precedent is already there. Don’t get your hopes up and chalk up it up political theater. It’s also a distraction from what’s going on. Thanks again to Twatter being that megaphone of “HEY LOOK OVER HERE!”
Oop, that’s another impeachable offense in the pile.
Yep just add it to the list
100 impeachable offenses you must try before you die
Who cares? He was inoeached before already and it literally did NOTHING
Wake me up when this bullshit is actually over, all this “oohh, THIS will end him for sure!” every week is tiring
I completely agree.
However, this is exactly what he wants. The more tired we all become of his bullshit and the more we wave it away then the more bullshit he pulls, and gets away with.If someone, anyone, had given him any consequences to his actions over the past few decades he wouldn’t be like he is. If just one person took him outside and beat the living fuck out of him then I feel things would be different.
Things definitely wouldn’t be like they are now. They may not be much better, but they would be better.Again, I agree it’s tiring. But I also think we shouldn’t give up.
So I hope you, and anyone who reads this, starts to feel less of “this is tiring!” And more of “this is tiring l… but we can’t let that rich obese orange rapist drag me down and get away with it!”Don’t give up!! Fight him. Pull him up on every single thing and ridicule him.
Fuck it, impeach him every single fucking day; he’s got enough crimes for it. Lock up congress and make the GOP cult show up every day and bend the knee to the orange fascist instead of doing a single thing for the US.
Also people in democratic leadership roles should start prosecuting his minions. ICE arresting legal citizens? Straight to jail. Barring lawmakers from detention facilities? Believe it or not, straight to jail.
Pointing cops at ICE - suddenly I don’t care that US cops are trigger happy
reddit cares
In 2001 when The US authorized use of force on Al-Qaeda that, along with The 1973 war powers resolution gave the president (as in the position of president, not just Bush) unlimited ability to bomb anyone loosely associated with Al-Qaeda in perpetuity.
It’s what allowed Bush, then Obama, then Trump, and then Biden, and now Trump again, to use the military as they see fit for performing military operations against basically any state and group in the middle east.
This is sadly likely the least impeachable thing he’s done in office.
The US authorized use of force on Al-Qaeda
Is that even needed? The War Powers Act
requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States
Congress can still be notified, and 60 days haven’t elapsed.
Edit: Nevermind. I now see unless war is declared, the president requires specific statutory authorization or a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.
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Why would we use force on our allies in Syria?
I see two outcomes:
- Congress introduces articles
- Impeached, but fails ratification in senate
or
- Congress introduces articles
- Some terrible tragedy befalls us or Israel
- Articles fail and congress backs the war full-throated
There is no version of this that ends in removal, and even impeachment wouldn’t be anything more than performative outrage.
The majority of sitting representatives have been waiting for an acceptable excuse to bomb Iran for decades. The only objection any of them have is doing so without manufacturing consent from voters first, but we’ve already seen how this plays out with Afghanistan. They’ll drum up dubious evidence of WMD’s and launch their entry, and then spend 20 years trying to ‘get out’ while securing Iran’s material resources on the way.
The only difference this time is that Iran has almost 5x the population and 100x the GDP of Afghanistan in 2001, plus an actual organized military base with proper advanced weapons manufacturing. There’s a reason we’ve waited this long to actually do this, and it isn’t because we were busy doing other things. It’s because this isn’t a war we can win without pulling everyone else into it (or at the very least without isolating them from global trading partners).
It’s not a morbid joke to call this a WWIII softlaunch.
We haven’t declared war since WW2. Everything has been AUMF, which can be done within 60 days retroactively. As always, the government is checks and balances, so if Congress refuses to exercise its powers and let the executive do whatever, it’s a moot point.
I think it’d only lead to impeachment if Congress wants us gone within 60 days and Trump refuses, continues without an AUMF, and then Congress actually had the balls to push back at that point.
But if someone is more familiar with the legal processes involved here, please do correct me or add to this.
The corruption of our nation is absolute.
The president is a Nazi.
Thr people working for him are Nazis.
They are carrying out a Nazi agenda.
They are illegally starting wars illegally kidnapping Americans and illegally using our own armed forces against us.
The time for resistance is passed.
It’s time for survival.
No. No this is about the time for resistance. We shouldn’t just skip that one
Exactly. I’m so tired of this doomer “we’ve tried nothing and it hasn’t worked” stance on the Trump regime. RESIST, people!
To be fair, we’ve tried a lot of things. Compliance, assistance, book licking, collaborating…
Lol. Indeed.
Pretty sure it’s time for FOOTBALL !!! amirite
It’s baseball season.
some type of ball
What if ice is occupying your town’s stadium?
They tried that shit. Dodgers told them to get fucked.
They don’t want that smoke in the dodger stadium parking lot.
Ice shows up it’ll be dangerous.
For them.
Dodger stadium parking lot is gigantic and lawless.
Ice wouldn’t make it out alive.
That’s why dodgers had LAPD escort them out.
For their own protection.
Hockey?
