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This was bound to happen, and it’s ridiculous
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Why not just gouge out their eyeballs, it’s the only way to make sure!
Oh, what’s that, it’s not actually about the porn, it’s about getting everyone to self-submit personal info to your shitty databases? Ooh, ok, gotcha!
Edit: sorry about the non-sequitur, I’m losing my fucking mind…
It’s so weird. Just don’t give your kids unrestricted internet access if you’re concerned about any of this…
Just give them a flip-phone and a living-room computer.
Or, y’know… they could do some actual parenting and talk to their kids about this. Kids aren’t morons, they’re just inexperienced. They are actually capable of understanding, like, words and stuff as long as one offers enough context for them… Actually teach the kids to use the internet, help them develop some insights.
And if anyone’s panicked about the immoral stuff going on in the porn industry (and there are plenty of things to be addressed and critiqued about a hystorically predatory domain), then address those directly! Friggin’ nurture their critical thinking and empathy! Locking them up in the fucking basement isn’t gonna Protect Them From Evil™, it just ensures they’ll be maladapted and sociopathic once they manage to escape from fucking prison! (no pun intended)
Edit: I will say this forever and ever - it is the parents’ duty to adapt to the world in which their kids have to live, not to force their kids to adapt to a world their parents wish would apply!
And if anyone’s panicked about the immoral stuff going on in the porn industry (and there are plenty of things to be addressed and critiqued about a hystorically predatory domain)
You’re 100% correct, but I would also like to point out how weird it is that porn seems to be the ONLY industry where these religious nutjobs pretend to care about workers.
In the US, the same people who say they care about the porn industry preying upon women are the same ones rolling back child labor legislations to send 14 year olds to meat packing plants. The same ones who have kept the minimum wage where it is for decades. The same ones who want to ban abortion even in cases where the woman’s life is threatened. I know this is a BBC article about the UK, but I can’t help but see some parallels with the right-wing religious conservatives everywhere in the world.
They don’t care about women. They don’t care about children. They don’t care about workers. They care about having lots of cheap labor. They care about parents being too tired, too overworked, too risk-averse for the sake of their children to dare to fight back. They want a world where peasant girls get married at 14 and start cranking out more babies immediately. Any substitute which threatens that (birth control, abortion, homosexuality, pornography, sex education) is under attack.
In the US children get shot and killed at school on a monthly basis and all the government can think to do is age-gate porn and ban books
They want a world where peasant girls get married at 14 and start cranking out more babies immediately.
It’s what Jesus would have wanted
Yep, it’s always about profit and control with these assholes, never about what’s right or wrong. And even the religious pretext is just utter bullshit from where they’re standing, using it to make the pill easier to swallow for the brainwashed masses, nothing more…
These people don’t give a fuck about any sort of god or code, they just want more money and more power. That’s all there is to it.
seems to be the ONLY industry where these religious nutjobs pretend to care about workers.
Nah, they dug in with it in the healthcare field, when “fighting for nurses” who were idiots and thought vaccines killed people.
In the US, the same people who say they care about the porn industry preying upon women are the same ones rolling back child labor legislations to send 14 year olds to meat packing plants. The same ones who have kept the minimum wage where it is for decades. The same ones who want to ban abortion even in cases where the woman’s life is threatened. I
…and guess what. Those same people are the ones didling the children. I can fill your inbox weekly with examples of clergy, police, republicans, christo facist et al. Now, don’t even think for a second that I give the democrats a pass either. However, the list of democrats is much shorter, but fuck them both. Me thinks they doth protest too loudly.
I’m neiher republican nor democrat. Just a lowely American. I don’t need a political echo chamber to have a political compass.
At the very least, most of the Democrats are guilty of taking money from those ghouls.
To bring it back to Palantir, Biden himself was singing their praises back when he was vice president and the US government was using their surveillance tools.
As much as it is good to see MAGA turn on Trunk over the Epstein files, it’s not lost on me that Garland, under Biden, sat on the files doing nothing for 4 years. And maybe that would make sense if they were actively investigating and trying to prosecute people, but as far as I can tell Maxwell is the only one who faced any consequences.
I don’t want to distract the narrative away from Trump’s guilt. And also, when you stack up presidential accomplishments I’d still rank Biden near the top, probably top-5 in US history. But that says more about the other presidents than Biden.
Our government in the US is corrupt and compromised top to bottom and side to side, and has been for quite a long time now. No one gets a pass.
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You spelled ‘squirting’ wrong, I think 🫡
Good point, I do feel my brain liquefying and gushing out through my friggin’ ears when seeing what we’re doing to ourselves…
Josh Lane was addicted to porn by 14-years-old after first finding it via a Google search when he was aged 12.
Now 25 and happily married.
Wow. Porn really destroyed this mans life. What a tragic tale.
If jacking off constantly at age 14 doomed a person we would never have left the Miocene epoch.
We would have gone extinct before we discovered fire.
Tho not so prevelant in this current timeline with internet access, there is a global phenomenon that most little boys can attest to. When we were growing up, there was forest porn. No one knew how it got there. No one claimed it. But in every town, county, village, city, et al, there were some woods with forest porn.
I do not condone children viewing porn because they are not mentally or emotionally ready for that. However, I do know it exists and gosh, it seems to me that some proper parenting skills would solve a lot of problems.
Yeah that’s interesting, actually in 5th or 6th grade one of the girls stole such a magazine from her older brother and brought it to school to show it around for some reason.
He told Newsnight the addiction caused him to isolate himself from friends and family because he was “afraid of anyone discovering that I was hooked.”
Mr Lane described finding “the only place I could get, I guess, love and intimacy was from pornography” at the same time as feeling “heaps of guilt and shame”
The problem seems to have more to do with lack of proper sex education and social pressure rather than pornography. Why did he have to feel so ashamed that he isolated himself? That’s a real issue here!
It’s not like it can’t happen, i also found porn very early on. I got addicted and it ruined my early sex life. Real women weren’t “exciting” anymore and I’d lost my sensitivity as well.
This is NOT the solution but it’s also not not an issue
Thank you for speaking up. I’m going to share a bit of my experience (unrelated to you, OP.)
I suspect (from my experience dating men) that the desensitivity issue is more common than most people will admit. Few men want to admit that their dick doesn’t work properly, and a subset of those men will attempt to frame this problem as a benefit instead (“I can keep going for so long without cumming, it’s my super power!”) I don’t expect most men will talk with each other like this, but it’s one of the justifications such men tell their partners.
From the partner’s perspective, I hate to have to say this, but… no, it’s not a power. It’s a weakness. A desensitized dick turns sex into a frustrating act that only ends when I get physically sore. If he doesn’t have that “natural stopping point” that usually signals an end to penetration, and the act still feels good to him - he doesn’t want to stop, so why would he? But it’s a very different experience from the “receiving” partner’s perspective. Most people who “receive” in sex don’t want to keep going until they end up in pain. We don’t want to always be the buzz-kill whose role is to decide, “Okay, sex time is over!” I want to have fun, too; not be the playground monitor that has to announce when recess is finished. Going on and on is a porn fantasy, and just like many porn fantasies, it’s not that fun in real life.
The issue of porn-induced desensitivity is absolutely real. However, taking away people’s privacy online is not the solution. These laws are absolutely absurd and a terrifying glimpse of the future the fascists in power are aiming toward. (And for anyone overly-concerned about my sex life that feels the need to chime in with advice - I learned from the lessons of my past, and I share those lessons in hopes that others can learn from it too.)
Addiction to porn is not a real thing. No reputable source classifies compulsive viewing of porn as an addiction as far as I know. These people just find it to be a convenient excuse for their compulsions.
It feels like a return of the pornography/video games/rock music moral panic of the late 20th century. I wish these conservative idiots would just fuck off. We’ll do anything before we tackle things that are really affecting children. Like poverty and hunger, in one of the world’s richest countries. We’re a joke of a country, no wonder people keep making fun of us. We deserve it.
Honestly, it feels more sinister. Sure, they say they want to eliminate this privacy tool because children could use it to watch porn, but realistically they’re not a fan of anybody using a VPN.
It seems like a perpetual panic, sustained because it creates a lever of exploitation to control the gullible. Like you can read complaints about “oversexed youth” from time periods when pornography was totally banned and women were essentially chattel. And hey, Boomers didn’t have internet porn and they are fucked.
Satanic Panic
Are not the US citizen a joke, you can not blame people who were educated in ignorance by the Governments, more in the fear of God than in the lack of reasoning capacity in a pseudo-democracy. Living in abubble and helpless in shock, when they visit Europe, seeing what means living safe and protected, with rights they even didn’t know that they exist. This is only sad, we make fun of your crappy fascist system and the current pedo-nazi asshole of president, not the people which don’t know it better.
Ah yes, Europe. Bastion of safety and human rights.
Some countries of the EU and UK isn’t part of the EU. Europe has one of the strongest privacy laws, it’s a constitutional basic right, because of this the acrobacies of right wing politicians to find a manner to surround it without violating the user privacy rights, but it’s nearly impossible and for sure it will cost time until something like this is implemented, and more until it is implemented in all countries, which is another problem. Spain at least is clear, childrens are responsability of their parents, period.
How about parents supervise their own kids them-fuckin’-selves?
Naturally is a problem of the parents and of nobody else, but the childrens are only an excuse of legislators to impose control, the only reason. If not the children than are crimes or terrorism to justify surveillance. More fascist an gov, more censorship, more biased information and less privacy is supported, it’s an axiom, the best citizen is an ignorant and submissive one. “First they banned childs from porn sites, than they banned anonym access to Wikipedia and VPN…” recipe how to cook a frog
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO02/20220407/114616/HHRG-117-GO02-20220407-SD018.pdf
Repeating history by the same assholes to kill the free and open internet and information.
I guess it’s just too late for all those children that viewed porn. The piles of their dead bodies must be enormous!
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Stop blocking Wikipedia
I’ve been biting my tongue hard these past few months in a concerted effort not to be offensive. I’m not trying to be intentionally offensive, however, I feel there is an element in this situation that is being disregarded in favor of someone else doing your work. When I say ‘You’, Your’, etc, I mean it in the royal sense. So, warm up the downvote finger and man the flame throwers.
If it’s genuinely for the children, then when are we going to require parents to be parents? Look, you brought this service into your home voluntarily. You might say ‘Well I need it for work’ or ‘I need it for school’. Tons of people use hundreds of thousands of hotspots daily to do their thing on the internet. This service you voluntarily brought into your house, has both the ability to be highly beneficial and highly detrimental all in the same breath. Technology always, always, always wields a double edged sword.
And what do the majority of parents do with such power? They give it to their vulnerable, under aged, highly curious, children, un-monitored, uncensored, and uninhibited. Are you insane? So when little Johnny is caught surfing porn hub, the parents freak and cry out to their government ‘We need to ban porn!’ No! What we need is for parents to be parents.
There are literally hundreds of services, and ways to lock down your internet. I hear parents say ‘I’m not technologically inclined.’ Get there. The safety and well being of your children hang in the balance. Take a class at your local Tech College. I’d be willing to bet that when little Johnny’s mom was pregnant, she most likely did some reading on the topic. Some even take a class on childbirth. The internet should be no different. Access one or two of the billions of tuts out on the internet.
Now, will locking down your internet like a multi-billion dollar enterprise with a Brinks Kit keep little Johnny from seeing some skin? No! Why? Because it’s natural for humans to want to see what other humans look like naked. Children are naturally inquisitive. The prime directive of all life is to replicate. So, have frank, open, direct, and yes, awkward conversations with your children. Let them know in no uncertain terms what is acceptable on your network. Tell them why these things are not appropriate for their age group. This relationship with your children starts at Day 1.
You have 18 years of boot camp to equip your children with all the tools necessary to make wise, prudent decisions in life. You probably taught them how to ride a bicycle, or drive a car, or any number of teaching opportunities parents have with their children. The internet should be no different. We live in a technological time line that is ever changing, so it behooves parents to know exactly what is going on with their technology and how their children are using it. Get with it.
Being a parent takes work. Being a network administrator also takes work. Anyone who is a seasoned veteran of this chan knows, to secure a network in order to be as private, secure, and anonymous as possible on the internet, takes work. I find, a large portion of parents are unwilling to do the work and would rather fob off their responsibilities as a parent, to the government having jurisdiction. I’m not painting all parents with this brush. Kudos to parents who are very involved in their children’s lives. There are enough of them tho, that are not, and this is a big issue. It gives governments the justification they desire to surveil their citizenry.
Let the roast begin.
So, warm up the downvote finger and man the flame throwers.
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Goddamnit… they’re right…
throws toys out the pram
I grew up with the internet and I turned up jjuuuuusstt fine
I know you’re being facetious but same and actually.
I’m not totally fine but I’m not not fine either, and I would say it’s kind of because the internet but it’s also not because the internet.
Either way, mom and dad would have had no chance of stopping me unless they turned the house into 1984 in 1996, which would have been way worse than anything the internet did to me (except for all the shit we’re living through of course !)
Can’t tell if serious. I am older than the internet. I’m not sure what that has to do with the issues of governmental surveillance under the guise of ‘for the chirren.’
Nobody’s booing you because you’re right
“I need internet at home for work!” - Okay, so plug in the one computer you work on? Do you really need to blast 100% of your home with internet via Wi-Fi, probably not. Even if you do (for some reason), why do you then also have to give little Timmy a Wi-Fi capable tablet at all? Download some episodes of Paw Patrol and let your kid watch them offline…
This is so fucking stupid, you cannot stop VPNs, because things like ShadowSocks exist. When will they learn that the only way to stop VPNs is to disable the internet completely. As long as the internet exists, VPNs will too. Ask your friend Xi Jinping about that.
Xi Jinping will be more than happy to provide consultation work for the UK government. Stop giving them ideas.
VPN use in China is effectively banned. Big corporations serve shittier Facebook that 99% of the population is satisfied with.
Having spent the last year living in China I can tell you that about 50% of the people I asked have them. I even ended up using one recommended by a local because it worked better than the western one I had been using.
I read comments and posts from Chinese posters who go through VPNs regularly.
And yet people in still china use VPN when wanting to access outside of their own net.
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I know none of this is actually about protecting kids… But even if it was, their reasoning and methodology sucks.
some of the 16 to 21-year-olds surveyed saying they had viewed it “aged six or younger”.
So there may have been a problem at least 10 years ago. Does that problem still exist? (never mind the obvious “is the problem parents ignoring their kids on a tablet”…)
Josh Lane was addicted to porn by 14-years-old after first finding it via a Google search when he was aged 12.
Okay, now let’s address the parents being the problem. By default, Google’s “Safe Search” is on, and the kid actively searched for porn. So no parental supervision of the 12 year old kid on the internet. Someone setup a google account, and changed the default settings to show those results. (oh, but that person is 25 now, so that was also 13 years ago…)
Almost all of the big websites have parental control settings that would alleviate the vast majority of these “problems” if parents actually used them. Parents being willfully ignorant isn’t going to be resolved by legislation. They know that. This is all a smoke screen to put the entire population behind a firewall and control the narrative. It isn’t even a very thick smoke screen.
Almost all of the big websites have parental control settings that would alleviate the vast majority of these “problems” if parents actually used them.
Nope. Parental controls in general suck and are often bare bones just for a semblance of legal compliance. Parents don’t have access to every device children have access to either
Parents don’t have access to every device children have access to either
Either parents or the school… and if the school doesn’t have a pretty significantly locked down network, that’s a separate problem.
Also, you’re right, I misspoke. While some of the bigger websites have decent-ish parental controls, I was more thinking of device specific parental controls. The amount you can lock-down (and monitor) a phone you give your 12 year old is pretty impressive. I’d rather parents did that than hand the monitoring, censoring, and access over to various government agencies all over the world.
children figuring out VPNs in a week while these bumfucks (state that they) didn’t manage to understand it in the years they’ve been given just goes to show the many orders of magnitudes of difference in their intelligence
No, this is intentional, the ultimate goal is a censored internet a la China. This was just the easiest gateway to doing that.
They are coming for VPNs next.
The normie gonna keep saying how stupid the law markers are as he is being cooked like an idiot
tbf it’s probably both corruption and incompetence, not just one or the other
Never attribute to incompetence that which can also be attributed to malice.
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A friend recently told me that palantir has some sort of stake in this data management for the OSA? Is this true? I know they’ve had a deal with NHS England for a few years
If so, our world is taking a very scary turn
If anyone hasn’t I’d advise to do research on palantir, Peter thiel and Curtis Yarvin for a window into the psychology of the people pushing us down this road
Iirc a thiel company, Persona, does the ID verification
Lovely
If Thiel’s mafia organisation (I refuse to call that scrap by desecrating sir Tolkien’s works’ names) has a deal with the NHS, then that should be ended ASAP. Fuck that, that’s some serious spying.
Capitalism is shit, and there are things where it especially NEVER, EVER should have any access, power or influence, directly or indirectly:
- Health services
- Parliaments, committees, assemblies
- Nature
- Housing
- Water and food
- National security
I’m so fucking sick of losing my rights to protect other people’s kids. I don’t have any fucking kids. Why don’t they apply their idiotic rules to those that do and leave the rest of us be.
Because it’s all an excuse to eliminate all privacy. The empire doesn’t survive if the workers are allowed to communicate freely.
I know. If they really cared about protecting kids they could force ISPs to sell a whitelisted or blacklisted “Family” service. They could even go further into insanity and force parents to only use that service until their kids turn 18. They could even force parents to install tracking software to make sure kids only connect to safe networks and use school registration records to keep track of homes with children.
Of course that’s all rediculous, but obviously they don’t want to protect kids. They want to take away our rights and privacy and with the way politicians all over the world have been harping about falling birthrates, making it harder to access porn might cause fewer people to use it in the hope that more people have kids.
Bullshit, ISPs are not responsible for kids either. That’s the parents’ job, not any company’ or government’.
I agree completely. I was giving a rediculously extreme example of a way they could actually try to protect kids from porn if that really was their goal.
Also, give up your rights for the kids, but don’t ask for any justice towards the royal pedophile prince, that’s bad.
Also, no more free school lunches, think of the children.
It is not about the children, nor their parents. Redirect your anger towards the perpetrators, not towards the scapegoats…
I have no anger towards children or parents in general. I just think it’s the parent’s responsibility to monitor their kids not the government’s. Thus, the only people who should be affected by rediculous rules and laws that “protect children” are people who have children. Plus, there are plenty and religious and right wing parents who support shit like this.
I have 2 kids, and I can’t agree more. My kids have PCs with Linux, I control and monitor everything they do in them, and teach them to use technology responsibly. That’s my job, not any government’s.
I keep saying this. People have kids, but then don’t want the responsibility that carries with it.
Linux
I control and monitor everything they do in them
Some software recommendations? I mean, I don’t have kids, but I like Linux and it doesn’t hurt to know where to perhaps point someone.
So far I only seen Veyon in action, but only for monitoring and remote control of multiple PCs, which probably doesn’t fit home environment.Very true, more parents should be like you. Unfortunately, I’ve known many parents who are completely fucking neglectful and when their kid fucks up or gets caught doing something they’re not supposed to they look for anyone or anything besides themselves to blame.
I’ve only known one person who I could honestly say was a good parent. She sacrificed everything to give her 2 sons a great life. She did everything and only put a reasonable amount of responsibility on her kids to help out. She didn’t date or go out, she sacrificed her own needs and basically was always working and active in her kids life. One of her son’s was autistic and needed a lot of extra attention and care and the other turned out to be the most responsible and well adjusted dude I’ve ever known. I wish more parents were like her.
Because we’re fine with kids not having rights, but when anyone else gets mildly screwed by regulation like this we get angry. Great. How about we did something about it before it started affecting us?
Keep watching this bit, so you dont focus on the other bit… which will be to attack end to end encryption in message apps. ie you must put a back door in, so we can see who is saying what, whenever we want.
This labour government, makes me want tories back. Thats how fucking bad they are.
I’m a parent and I’m sick of it too. It’s so incredibly easy to monitor your kid today as modern parental control system literally do most of the work for you. Also you can just talk and be honest with your kids - 12-16 year olds are pretty smart contrary to what some want you to think.
Literally no one likes this except the bottom of the barrel brain washed idiots. I’m not a conspiracist but I meet other parents and while I’m not based in the UK, porn access was never an issue for any parent so this just reeks of propaganda.
Seriously, they build parental controls into pretty much all modern devices and there’s plenty of 3rd party software for added functionality and customization. The tools are there for parents. All they have to do is enable and configure them.
I think people who support this shit and other other laws that strip our rights away are virtue signaling, neglectful/lazy, or like you said completely brainwashed. I think that those in power want to slowly work towards banning porn completely and not just in the UK. I’ve said it elsewhere, but politicians and rich assholes like Elon Musk are worried about birthrates falling and this is just one of many tactics to try to get people to have more kids.
The 3rd party apps cost max 100$ a year and does almost everything for you (with plenty of good free 1st party options like Google Family Link). All you have to do is review the alerts and configure screen time and you still let your kids retain good amount of privacy. It’s insane how easy it is these days so there are no excuses for any parent, period.
Who is voting for these people?
I have a feeling that this is another example of the ruling class doing whatever it wants regardless of what the working class wants.
Our representatives do not represent us.
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It’s their job to guard their kids from this content first and foremost. It’s their job to put it into context for their children. But the article doesn’t even mention that any of this is a humongous failing of parents.
Next this commissioner will want to outlaw computer mice because they’re used to click pornographic content without verifying the age of the finger on the button. And roads because adult content actors use them to get to jobs.
The way forward is not banning or making worse all sorts of useful tools as collateral damage in this “think of the children” campaign. It is to get all adult content everywhere behind a barrier toddlers cannot break. We were fine with porn mags partially obscured on the top shelf at a news agent when that was a thing. And the salesperson making sure the customer wasn’t a minor. The solution isn’t closing all digital news agents.
And it’s quite telling that the existence of VPNs didn’t play a bigger part in this UK online safety initiative. Like it wasn’t obvious that when the west entrance to porn central was closed off, people wouldn’t naturally look for the ones in east, north, and south.
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I have a great job lined up in the UK, I’m not sure I can take it up considering that is turning into this kind of shit hole.
It’s been this kind of shit hole surveillance state for a long time. Look at the snooper’s charter/investigatory powers act, for example.
You’re not wrong, but it absolutely is getting worse.
Yeah, and they’ve jumped the “protect our kids” wankery into overdrive as well.
Complete doomer mode: I think they’re also gonna re-establish section 28 soon.
What’s section 28?
Section 28 of the 1988 local government act (often just referred to colloquially as section 28), was a law that made it illegal to discuss queer identities in schools.
here's the relevant excerpt of the act
2A
Prohibition on promoting homosexuality by teaching or by publishing material
(1)A local authority shall not—
(a)intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality;
(b)promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship.
(2)Nothing in subsection (1) above shall be taken to prohibit the doing of anything for the purpose of treating or preventing the spread of disease.
(3)In any proceedings in connection with the application of this section a court shall draw such inferences as to the intention of the local authority as may reasonably be drawn from the evidence before it.
(4)In subsection (1)(b) above “maintained school” means,—
(a)in England and Wales, a county school, voluntary school, nursery school or special school, within the meaning of the Education Act 1944; and
(b)in Scotland, a public school, nursery school or special school, within the meaning of the Education (Scotland) Act 1980.”
It was repealed in 2003, but the recent resurgence of homophobia in parliament is using a similar language around “protecting children” is identical to the shit Thatcher and her cronies were throwing around in the 80’s.
for example (CW: homophobia)
Oh wow, I hope you’re wrong but who knows at this point considering one of the only noteworthy things they’ve done in the last year is attack trans people. What’s the source of that last image? I’m really hoping that’s one of the examples from the 80s and not a recent one…
I wouldn’t take it up, honestly. Best to go for somewhere in the EU instead.
The UK is a US puppet state, and pretty much showing it.
I’m EU adjacent, with better privacy laws and definitely aware of the role parents need to play in parenting and of government overreach. I’m happy here but dem monies
Hmm, I don’t know your situation, but if you’re living in Switzerland, Norway, the Faroe Islands, or Iceland, I honestly would just recommend staying there.
If it’s in Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo, or Bosnia, then yeah, fair. But I thought none of those had good privacy laws?
Can’t imagine Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, or Turkey have good privacy laws. And certainly not any of the North African countries…
Don’t worry, the rest of the world will follow suit in a minute
