IDF rules:
OK things to do:
- Kill children,
- Rape women,
- Kill prisoners,
- Destroy peoples property,
- Use iPhone.
Not OK things to do:
- Use Android OS
The reason for this is because Pegasus is better used on iPhones than Androids and you can flash GrapheneOS on them while iPhones are locked down.
So Android phones are anti-Semitic now?
Guess Blackberry security was right all along
Androids are obviously Hamas
Or Hez…
This can mean anything, it’s possible they wanted just 1 platform so that their expertise is focused. And android being a little more open may have been seen (biased) as a disadvantage (i.e. enemies are more prone to find a vulnerability). We can argue with it. It’s like the counterpart of people thinking that open source is per default more safe because of being open source… It’s a correlation that can’t prove anything…
I thought Apple doesn’t let the bad guys … oh wait, that’s just in Movies and TV shows.
It’s also just not true, the villain/killer/etc has iPhones in many shows and movies already, including multiple AppleTV shows.
I was already thinking of getting a Linux phone next, this is helping to seal the deal. Fuck Apple the genocide enablers.
please do explain how Apple is doing anything here. If Israel wants to provide their military with iPhones they’re going to no matter what Apple does.
They don’t have to do business with/in Israel.
That still will not stop a nation state (especially Israel) from getting their hands on Apple devices.
Physically obtaining the devices is insufficient; they need ongoing software updates and other network services too.
The IDF could/would absolutely not be doing this if they did not trust that Apple is a very committed partner.
You can also observe from Apple’s job listings that they are.
This is an American company. They will do what their leaders from Israel want because no company seems to have the stones to tell them to pound sand.
Mind sharing any linux phones candidates you are considering?
Android is technically based on Linux so maybe go with a custom ROM like Grapheme? I’ve found the experience on it to be enjoyable personally and feel a lot better about my security even if I don’t lock it down as hard as some people.
PinePhone.
Having to rely on webapps is a pain but Steve Jobs was right after all.
When Linux phone?
Nao.
Guess we now know what the “i” stands for.
I said it before and I’ll say it again, among all tech companies, Apple is the closest to the nazi mindset.
Google has decided you cannot turn off Gemini in their newer versions of Android. You cannot install other roms that do either, Google is killing those too. But yea, Apple is the bad guy. Ignore the Google rug pull.
Wasn’t it also just reported a few weeks ago that Samsung installs Israeli spyware on android devices sold in MENA?
https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-appcloud-spyware-controversy-3616325/
Both are the bad guys, not either.
Like most things in contemporary society, we are given the choice between two terrible options, and then encouraged to go all in on one of those terrible choices, or you’re a LOSER.
Modern life is just Pavlov’s lab.
What roms does Apple let you install on iPhones?
Apple never opened that door. Google did, but they never intended to keep it open. it was there to catch up with apple. they never intended to do any good here. it was there to speed up development and win people over, then after they are already there, google can close the door and screw them all. That’s what’s happening now. It was a bait and switch.
Yep. The attract phase is completed for Android, now on to the extract phase.
LINUX PHONE
Apple never even tried to allow it, so yeah, Apple IS the bad guy. Google is becomeing it, Apple is the mayor of bad guy town.
lol that last line. XD
It’s like no one remembers the 90’s and Microsoft.
Also, IBM literally made computers for the Nazis.
To summarize: The bad guys is US
As much as I don’t disagree, I think the “Apple is closest to Nazism” comment touches on something different. Other massive American companies have awful practices but they don’t care particularly how their way of making money looks. Apple wields a specific aesthetic power that generally dictates a hegemonic uniformity, that strays the line of being to their detriment at times. I don’t think any other big tech company would care in the same way if not for their desire to copy Apple.
I mean it’s not just that. Probably not even mostly that. Security is really not great on Android far beyond the AI. I’ve been running Android for years and probably won’t change until Linux with LUKS is a reasonable alternative, But from a hardware level on through to the software, there are so many holes in the OS and ways to access privileged information. Even the top end of the Samsung line is largely rootable at this point, not without concessions, mind you, but as far as an enemy getting a phone and gaining access, or the company itself getting your data even without AI, I’d probably be concerned enough for ANY military org not to allow them to be used.
Apple has a hell of a lot of issues, might even be overly friendly with Israel, but from a security standpoint, it’s probably safer for secrets than android at the moment.
I really just want an encrypted portable linux device with a cellular modem. I don’t even care if it can SMS or VOLTE, I just need it to run a secure chat client, support Bluetooth headphones and last all day on a charge.
You aren’t going to get such a device enabled on the american cellular networks. The duoploy wont allow it. You would have a better chance creating a new network that doesnt need cellular technology. something that behaves more like a cordless phone that uses whatever wifi, packet radio, reticulum node, etc as the base. You wouldn’t be able to get a straight phone number without a VoIP subscription but thats also not a terribly big problem as phone numbers are a terrible idea in 2025 anyway. We should have revocable keys exchanged at will that are unique to each contact. Either side can block communications effectively that way at any time and you couldnt just call them from a different number or sell the key to a different scammer or something.
Really, a 5G capable phone running linux isnt a big enough goal. Mobile communications needs a profound shift away from the legacy model.
and meanwhile, the american supreme court is ruling on terminating online access due to piracy today. I wonder what they’ll rule…
I can get a data sim card and put it in a laptop right now. It’s just an inconvenient form factor.
What exactly is insecure about running GrapheneOS?
Or even stock OS on a Pixel? Has any of the conspiracies about Google Play Services ever been proven?
You mean besides the fact that the IDF has been selling ICE software specifically to compromise android phone and now they’re forbidding their own forces from using Android…
That’s not much of a stretch IMO, but you do you.
I mean, Google came out and said what they are going to do. its hardly a conspiracy theory.
What part? The fact that they no longer will be providing Pixel-specific source code?
Who else has been providing the literal OS source code for their devices?
I’m talking about the conspiracy where Google is monitoring your every move, reading all your encrypted messages, and providing backdoors to government entities.
I really just want an encrypted portable linux device with a cellular modem. I don’t even care if it can SMS or VOLTE, I just need it to run a secure chat client, support Bluetooth headphones and last all day on a charge.
Then you’re in luck, because that’s something you can already have by now! Just get yourself one of the more recent-ish phones that are well supported by PostmarketOS. The things Linux phones struggle the most with these days, are the more traditional phone-things, such as text messages or calling, which may not be ready for production, as they say (although, both texts and calls have actually worked well for me as of late). But if all you want is a pocket Linux computer/PDA, and intend to carry another phone for calls and texting, that’s something you can have, for the grand price of an old, second-hand phone. I’ve been loving my (LUKS-encrypted) OnePlus 6T, and I do actually use it for calls and texts as well!
If all I needed was five hours worth of battery would be a great fit.
Both post-market and nix are great options if you want to run a really old phone, but neither one can last even half a day.
Bullshit. I have it turned off on my pixel 9pro and Samsung s24 plus
You actually turned off geminis ability to serve YOU. You never turned off Gemini itself. Google won’t allow that. It’s still running in the background send your data to Google and its advertising partners. Google has publicly stated this is the intended design and they will not allow turning that off.
Show me.
I don’t have to show you. Google, the people who made the fucking OS, told you that’s how this works!
No. They provided me a nice little button that allows me to disable Gemini, and they have allowed me to opt out of any usage. So again. Show me that it is still active after I have disabled it.
I was curious so I searched. This is the best info I could find.
https://proton.me/blog/turn-off-gemini-on-android
Proton claims that even if you turn everything off, it will still watch in the background because Google is replacing assistant with Gemini. That still hasn’t happened on my phone. I can still use the regular Google assistant, but I feel like I’m not smart enough to evaluate the claims to know whether it is really running on my phone or not.
Proton also has a profit motive in making people upset with Google, so I don’t know.
I’ve lost features that used to work without Gemini, but I believe it is disabled on both my Pixel 7 Pro and the Pixel 8 I have access to.
Nope, it’s still running in the background. You just turned off its ability to interact with you but can and does still interact with others.
Do you have some sort of evidence for this claim?
https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/how-to-disable-gemini-on-android/53771/ and https://proton.me/blog/turn-off-gemini-on-android were easy enough to find. If I remember correctly the grapheneOS guys spoke on this too.
Trust him bro…
Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me either way. There IS a lot of telemetry and other BS that is definitely still on my phone, included in OS updates, and not uninstallable (I can “uninstall updates”, but that would also give me back any security issues). But, I don’t think that it is Gemini, or at least predates that naming convention.
To get free of Google telemetry, I’d have to install a non-Google ROM, and I haven’t ever tried that.
Telemetry certainly can be abused, and Google should be legally (by regulation) required to provide a simple opt-out. BUT, telemetry really is a fairly normal thing to include in “web-scale” deployments and is primarily used to discover issues that have escaped into production without affecting a testing environment–or, at least, that what the telemetry systems I’ve interacted with as an software developer were for. So, I’m not too worried about non-personalized data collection.
Funnily enough, my new ulefone allowed me to at least completely disable that crap. First one where that is possible. Even the shitty swipe right and you get Google’s forced news app, which you could “disable” so that it would show a shitty screen with “please enable Google News!”, can be completely disabled. First time in like 10 years on a non custom ROM that I could do this.
Wha Google is enforcing for a lot of these things, including Gemini, is that you are only allowed to disable direct interaction from the user with the service. So in the case of Gemini, it’s still running in the background and sending out your data to Google and its advertising partners. You just turned off your ability to interact with it yourself.
Doesn’t seem like anyone has ignored Google. They doing it is old news.
This is a completely different thought.
It is not.
oracle
SCO Group.
Oh boy this is great, now we can call iPhone users as zionists, any excuse to demonize Apple People, I’m down for it
frankly this is because israel knows exactly how much spyware they’ve gotten their partner, Google, to put into android. the iphone is also chock full of spyware, and they do want to spy on their military force to make sure it’s as ideologically and racially pure as they need it to be to continue their genocide. further consider that budget iphones don’t exist and you realize that their systemic impoverishing of the indigenous Palestinian people means that all of the targets of their genocide are much more likely to be android users than iphone users. given this, israel is in real time creating a new signifier of jewish-israeli identity. soon having an android phone as civilian will be evidence of HAMAS.
and again.
i want to remind everyone that google is a major partner to israel. this is not a case of iphones bad guys, android phones good guys. this is a case of both being components in a system of torture. i can’t tell you yet to divest yourself of both to switch to linux phones like postmarketos because even i can’t do that without buying a new device, but please watch that space. and until you can, if you’re using a google pixel please consider installing grapheneos, and if you’re not please consider using a de-googled lineage based rom. israel greatly values the intel they get from their partner google.
So they switched because they have control and access over both OSs?
they are enforcing the discontinuation of one because they got more spyware into it. they view this as a liability because it means there’s more backdoor holes in it and they don’t want that compromising their officer corps’ operational security. however, they also don’t want an entirely spyware free solution for their officers. their entire system of control is built from the ground up on surveillance and enforcing ideological purity. so they still want to spy on their officers. the iphone has the balance they’re looking for
The stuff you say about android checks out and makes sense but the iPhone part doesn’t.
pay particular attention to the invasive telemetry section. this isn’t by accident. ios promises to respect your privacy in its advertising, and does a better job than stock android, but the fact remains that the company is subservient to the states it partners with, one of which is the United States, which has close ties to israel. if your plan is to use your phone with whatever os it comes with, the iphone is more secure. but for a military force like the IDF, they can dictate and even issue whatever would be the most secure. the fact that they do not means these considerations are seen as a positive
What you’re describing isn’t spyware though.
I’m not dying on this hill because at a point it would just be quibbling over semantics. Your point isn’t wrong - I know there are options built into OSes that can be used to monitor user behaviour - but this isn’t spyware in the same way backdooring shit into android would be
No argument that the end result is pretty similar - but one requires exploits to get some shit on the phone. The other is innate to the OS.
Not worth the fight… people here will call even usage based telemetry (how many times did this feature get used) spyware.
It rarely is.
Shh, don’t use logic here. Just hate Apple and fanboy hard for Android.
not… sure how i’m fanboing for android here when i’m saying that both google and apple are complicit in genocide and you should, if you can, do business with neither
They switched because Google has more security leaks than a sieve, even accounting for their own hacks
AppleThe Official Phone Of Genocide
Lets face it, the more you know about ol’ tyranty boy StevieJobs the more it makes sense.
The Genius Bar are much more violent these days.
