• !Europe Mod Team@feddit.org
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    2 hours ago

    There’s been reports for this link to be an ad… we’re allowing it nonetheless because the discussion is very rich (I, personally agree with many of the criticism that were done: products may not be socially or environmentally friendly, or even it may be better to support an European artist). The EU parliament is more like a tool, and sometimes it does work well. Oftentimes it just makes decisions that are not aligned with our values as a community. Nonetheless, the EU flag is nowadays an important symbol that’s being undermined by bigots and propaganda. That’s why I’ve been ignoring the reports of this as an ad. I believe the underlying message to be more important. And, as I said, the discussion here has brought very good points that I wouldn’t have thought so just by myself.

    Best regards, anzo.

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    10 hours ago

    I don’t know about you but I don’t think I’ve ever worn anything with an US flag on it. Or one that says “I ❤️ NY”

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    1 day ago

    Show your support for European values by buying clothes made outside of Europe under horrible environmental and human conditions! (That’s my assumption since there is no info on the website)

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    23 hours ago

    Yeah no thx nationalism will definitely defeat the threat of nationalism.

    Probably this is just marketing by the people selling those shirts but ehhh

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      22 hours ago

      Europe isn’t a nation, it’s a group of nations and there is a big reason to support it now

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        The EU federalists would really like to make it one though.

        Not sure why they think that, considering every single attempt in history to centralise political power in Europe has failed.

        Decentralisation of power and denationalisation seems a better way forward

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        22 hours ago

        Yeah agree and America isn’t a state it’s a group of states and we need to make both the united states and the group of nations great again

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    I feel like we shouldn’t copy the American flag waving and blind patriotism. I believe we’re much better off with a Federation of EU States than without it, and I see Schengen as a huge accomplishment, but the EU as an institution has many problems we shouldn’t be blind to.

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      Still, I think that what you often see in Europe is almost complete indifference to European identity, and there’s a huge amount of middle ground between that and the ludicrously excessive blind nationalism that you see in the USA. I personally think it would be a good thing if we embraced an identity as Europeans a little more. Being proud of European identity, and even waving a flag once in a while, isn’t a bad thing. Patriotism gives you something to fight for. A common identity is needed for people to achieve more collectively. The important thing is to not be blind or arrogant. You have to base that identity on reality, and work to make sure that identity stands for something good, rather than assuming it will automatically be so. Too much success and empire building causes rot to set in, but the EU is uniquely positioned to be a post-imperial entity. What comes after empire building is up to us.

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      With a couple of nukes, you might be able to speed up tectonic movement and get your island over here! (Feel free to push the UK out of the way, they don’t want to be here aparently)

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        I’m not really up on the latest research into nuclear powered continental drift but I’m fairly certain that Australia is on course to collide with Indonesia in about 100 million years. So they’re going the wrong direction.

        You’ll need to turn left and go around Africa, if you see Brazil you’ve gone too far.

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    Buy merch from your favourite artists/bands instead and be vocal about taxing the rich. Also stop using Instagram, TikTok, WhatsApp, et cetera. The EU Parliament has plenty of money, many artists do not, yet the latter have way more reach than wearing an EU t-shirt, and plenty of artists are vehemently against our whole corrupt system. E.g., Massive Attack, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, et cetera.

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      Unknown indie artists living in precarious financial situations like The Biggest Name in Trip Hop and The Biggest Name in Post-Rock.

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        While you made me laugh out loud, those belong to the “and…against our whole corrupt system” part of the sentence, not the “many artists do not have plenty of money”.

        Feel free to append the list ;)

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          Going to concerts of local/visiting artists is the best way of support, and the by a CD or something.

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            Definitely.

            Also, I stand corrected: the “e.g.” was preceded by a dot and capitalized, so my picks indeed seem silly haha. Those are two of my favourite artists so my choice was primed. 🙃