• Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml
    311·
    5 months ago

    I don’t like talking about Vietnam because some comrades get angry with my opinion but hey why not.

    Vietnam got recaptured by Neo-colonialism. In Wretched of the earth Fanon warns against the national bourgeoisie capture of the post-colonial state and selling it out to former colonial powers. I see a variation on that going on in Vietnam. Foreign capital and the local bourgeoisie control the means of production. Some of that foreign investment comes from zionists so they support the zionist project.

    The party does try to raise the living standards for workers through social spending like healthcare and pensions but they have essentially bought off the revolutionaries and are now slowly betraying them now that the revolutionaries are too old to take up arms.

    China avoided this fate by having a civil war after (also preceding and concurrent with) the anti-colonial war which separated the national bourgeoisie from the real communist revolutionaries and followed that with the Cultural Revolution.

    • lamassu@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      12·
      5 months ago

      As comrade pup mentioned, Vietnam did have a civil war. Most of the fighting during the war took place between the north backed NLF and the US backed puppet government in the south. The US has used its cultural hegemony to inflate the role of US troops on the ground, just as it did for WWII.

      We must remember that the war carried on until 1975. It has understandably taken time for the country to recover from this.

      Vietnam has followed a very similar path to development as China. They too experienced the limits of socialism without access to the capital and advanced education needed to develop the productive forces and have moved to a market socialist economy in order to resolve this key contradiction. This does not mean that the CPV are a bunch of “capitalist roaders”, just like the CPC are not a bunch of “capitalist roaders”.

      A couple of important recent developments in Vietnam:

      • In 2025, all substandard housing in the country was replaced free of charge to the owners, beating the target deadline of 2030.
      • A level of bureaucracy (the district level) was completely eliminated from the CPV, giving more control to the commune level to manage their affairs and budgets. Things like bridge repairs can be handled immediately at the local level without the need for bureaucratic approval processes which can take multiple years.

      It takes time to educate the masses and education is necessary in order to decentralize and reduce bureaucracy. This is what is happening now in Vietnam and it is unlocking the potential for the country to further develop its productive forces just as happened in China.

      Vietnam has always stood in solidarity with the Palestinian people. Their stance on this matter has not changed.

      • kredditacc@lemmygrad.ml
        91·
        5 months ago

        civil war

        I know that you are defending Vietnam, but I’d still like to advise you not to use the word “civil war”.

        In the eyes of Vietnamese, this was an invasion from the US, they proped up a puppet regime against the will of the Vietnamese people, which includes the Southern Vietnamese people, who sarcrificed no less than the other regions in rebellion and revolution against the French colonizers. The US unlawfully denied the Southern Vietnamese people their freedom and independence.

        What the English-speaking world call “the Vietnam War” is officially called ”the Resistant War against American imperialism to save the country" (kháng chiến chống đế quốc Mỹ cứu nước) or “the Second Indochina War” (Chiến tranh Đông Dương lần thứ 2) in Vietnam.

        Edit: I forgot to add: The puppet regime was formed from a bunch of former French collaborators. The revolutionaries who fought against the French fought against them too. The puppet regime is illegitimate. And the war against them is, by definition, a war against foreign power, not a “civil war”.

        • lamassu@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
          1·
          5 months ago

          I agree with you. I use the term “civil war” in the context that most of the fighting was between Vietnamese resistance and Vietnamese collaborators. That is my understanding, anyway. It was not my intention to minimize the role of western colonialism in the struggle.

          Edit: In response to China having a “civil war”, the Kuomintang was similarly supported by the West.

    • ☭ Comrade Pup Ivy 🇨🇺@lemmygrad.mlOPM
      11·
      5 months ago

      I find this analysis lacking and boarderline idealistic. I will start with Vietnam did have a civil war, and I would argue more well known than the Chinese Civil war, that being known, atleast in America as the Vietnam war. I would also point out IIRC the CPC views the cultural revolution as a miss step, but I could be wrong on that so someone who knows more feel free to correct me.

      Second the United States, dispite loosing, had Vietnam pay them reporations, essentially making all of that a loan to South Vietnam that the Unified Vietnam had to pay back, and so from what I have heard and red Vietnam moved to a more market based socialism and opened up inorder to pay back the reputations thet where somehow saddled with.

      Third, I don’t see, personally a huge difference in what Vietnam was attempting to do, and what the PRC was able to do, just Vietnam was less successful, but reports I hear from those in Vietnam say that Vietnam is Still a Dictatorship of the Prolitarate, and I am not sure that I have enough information to disagree, however I am more than willing to change my mind if evidence is presented.

      Lastly I dont know much about trade with Israel, however I do know that both the PRC also does trading and the Communist Party of Vietnam is very pro palistine

      If i am missing sometimes or am blind in my analysis please however let me know,