The only people protecting Gazans now are Hamas in the absence of the secritiy council and whatever power it has. Ironic, sad, but true.
October 7th was wrong, but what would be even more wrong now is to abandon all those Gazans and stop fighting all those Israeli tanks shelling everyone’s home.
If you actually gave two shits about the Palestinians you’d be calling for Hamas to surrender, release the hostages so this war can end.
Israel won’t abandon their hostages which is obviously why Hamas took them to force this war.
No point arguing with a propagandist like yourself though…have you noticed that public opinion is shifting against Hamas? Better get even more hysterical mate! 😂
Israel doesn’t care about their citizens, they’re carpet bombing Gaza and flooding tunnels they know the hostages are in. They had the option to just do a hostage exchange since day one. This is some mixture of annexation and Netanyahu trying to hold on to power.
In what universe do you live? Hamas pulled out of the continuing the hostage exchange. Israel wanted women returned but Hamas wouldn’t agree…let’s be honest it’s because all the rape and torture would make their propaganda war tricky
Hamas’s cited reason was that Israel was demanding female soldiers, while the terms of the “pause” dictated the exchange of civilians. It seemed like Israel simply wanted an excuse to continue bombing.
let’s be honest it’s because all the rape and torture would make their propaganda war tricky
Let’s be honest about this having no substantiation at present and being based on Israeli and U.S. State Dept propaganda. Honestly it’s disgusting how quickly people will resort to insinuations like this.
I know! All those raped (verified by Hamas body cam footage) on Oct 7 and people start to think Hamas are going to keep raping the hostages when they get them back to gaza. What a crazy leap right?!
Hamas cares even less for the lives of Gaza civilians. They cowardly hide in their tunnels, take humanitarian supplies by force from the population and shoot at Gazans when they try to escape from their human shield purpose.
All of these crimes have been documented and you can find them online. Hamas is a dictatorship jihadistic organization who controls the population by fear
No, they don’t deserve it. If you were Israel, and 1200 of your people would have been murdered, raped and 400 were taken hostages, what would you do differently?
Not detaining Palestinians in undisclosed locations
Not starving the population
Not bombing hospitals, mosques, and the few fucking churches there.
Negotiate peace with Palestinians and restore their full rights
A one state solution where everyone gets to vote, as they always should have been allowed to
What would you do “differently” since those Gazans don’t deserve to die in a crowded hospital after a failing amputation attempt because there are no meds and Israel is shelling outside?
Btw I just want to say that 17 thousand of my “people” have already been killed by Israel since I’m Palestinian.
Hmmm seems like you pull this shit out of your ass, I’m very critical of Hamas.
A one state solution because it was always a single land, where all Palestinans and Jews can be equal. What part of that bothers you?
PS: notice how you just brushed aside the suffering of all Palestinians to come and talk about Hamas. Using Hamas as an excuse for genocide is no better than an excuse for the holocaust or for apartheid. It’s quite disgusting how easily you can just forget the deaths of many innocent people or think that October 7th somehow justifies a second Nakba and a second holocaust.
This seems to be a typical Hasbara account (the Israeli equivalent to Putin trolls).
They keep saying Gaza is not an open air prison. But would they agree to live there for a year like an average civilian?
Would they support the right of Palestine to exist? Would they support the Palestinian right to self determination as people? Do they think Palestinians should have the right to live in their homes?
The answer to all of these questions would be a lot of Blabla leading to an eventual no for an answer. Therefore it makes little sense to interact with these accounts, except for the purpose of calling out their BS
Airstrikes don’t affect underground tunnels where Hamas hides with all the humanitarian supplies and fuel along with the precious hostages while the less privileged Gazans suffer above
damn, you really believe that, don’t you?like the massive supply bunkers below the hospital?, the hospital that they had laid siege to for days before storming it, meaning that Hamas should have not been able to get anything out, and the greatest horror was a few guns, a diaper, and a bomb shelter that Israel put in when they built the building, full of jack shit.
Every Palestinian in Gaza knows they are using hospitals, mosques, schools to conduct their military operation from there.
Have you seen them wearing uniforms in their videos?
This is no secret, it’s playbook assymetric warfare tactic I honestly don’t understand the denial about it.
Do you expect them to have some military base with a helicopter landing so Israel can bomb it in a second?
Damn, imagine wounded combatants being treated at hospitals, of course you happen to forget that Hamas doesn’t even have a uniform, nor that it’s still a war crime to attack hospitals.
The justification of Israel to bomb hospitals always shows the building its self full of tunnels and storing red exploding barrels. because anything less than that is a war crime…
the only person in denial about anything here is you and the Geneva convention.
They most definitely have uniforms, they just don’t use them when fighting Israel as they are embedded inside civilians.
And they most definitely hide and attack from schools, mosques and hospitals.
“But how will we justify all this killing and murder?”
"Ahhh, we’ll just invent “proximity bombing” and say that people in their homes and on the street are “human shields”, even though they are just living their lives normally, and every time we bomb a hospital, we can just say “KHAMAS was embedded within the population… that way whenever 100 Palestinian civilians die by “accident”, we can fall back on that excuse”.
Correction: Some individual actions taken on October 7th (with no evidence they were Hamas policy) were wrong. October 7th as a whole was resistance against a foreign occupier, which is allowed under international law.
Wow this is a very delusional take. Hamas didn’t rampage into the “Settlements” of land that has been taken, they went deep into Israel. And I don’t think international law allows you to kill or capture civilians or children and hold them for ransom.
They didn’t hold them for ransom. They demanded the release of Palestinian prisoners in Israel, which Israel is detaining in a way that conflicts with international law (unlawful detainment, torture, withllding food, already several prioners have died in Israeli prisons since October 7th, but the correct word is that they were murdered/assassinated by Israel.
International law generally makes exceptions for actions that have military purpose. Israel created a status quo where one of the few things Hamas can do that actually make the lives of Palestinians better is take hostages, so from my understanding it’d be allowed by international law.
Israel was not occupying Gaza, in fact it withdrew its settlements and all army forces in 2005. On October 7th, not a single Israeli soldier was in Gaza.
When the atrocity in question was ordered or encouraged by the leadership. The point the blame passes from the individual to the institution is when the institution gets involved in the atrocity. So if Hamas had said “kill civilians” or “rape women” we’d have to blame Hamas for that, but as long as it’s a decision an individual made on their own only the individual bears responsibility.
so, if, for example, the head of government goes and awards medals to people shooting children you would assume that the government supports that, right?
What’s the standard for this in the U.S.? It reaches only as far up the ladder as anyone can definitively prove. Abu Gharib saw like, what, a lieutenant fired or something. But when it’s “the enemy”, all of a sudden we assume by default the decision came from the highest levels, and it’s carte blanche to wipe out 2.5 million people living in a giant concentration camp, in a supposed attempt to do regime change.
The only people protecting Gazans now are Hamas in the absence of the secritiy council and whatever power it has. Ironic, sad, but true.
October 7th was wrong, but what would be even more wrong now is to abandon all those Gazans and stop fighting all those Israeli tanks shelling everyone’s home.
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Hmmm i don’t support Hamas.
If you actually gave two shits about the Palestinians you’d be calling for Hamas to surrender, release the hostages so this war can end.
Israel won’t abandon their hostages which is obviously why Hamas took them to force this war.
No point arguing with a propagandist like yourself though…have you noticed that public opinion is shifting against Hamas? Better get even more hysterical mate! 😂
Israel doesn’t care about their citizens, they’re carpet bombing Gaza and flooding tunnels they know the hostages are in. They had the option to just do a hostage exchange since day one. This is some mixture of annexation and Netanyahu trying to hold on to power.
In what universe do you live? Hamas pulled out of the continuing the hostage exchange. Israel wanted women returned but Hamas wouldn’t agree…let’s be honest it’s because all the rape and torture would make their propaganda war tricky
Hamas’s cited reason was that Israel was demanding female soldiers, while the terms of the “pause” dictated the exchange of civilians. It seemed like Israel simply wanted an excuse to continue bombing.
Let’s be honest about this having no substantiation at present and being based on Israeli and U.S. State Dept propaganda. Honestly it’s disgusting how quickly people will resort to insinuations like this.
I know! All those raped (verified by Hamas body cam footage) on Oct 7 and people start to think Hamas are going to keep raping the hostages when they get them back to gaza. What a crazy leap right?!
At what point will you rejoin reality bud?
Is it verified by that? Can you provide the footage? Pretty sure this is incorrect.
Hamas cares even less for the lives of Gaza civilians. They cowardly hide in their tunnels, take humanitarian supplies by force from the population and shoot at Gazans when they try to escape from their human shield purpose.
All of these crimes have been documented and you can find them online. Hamas is a dictatorship jihadistic organization who controls the population by fear
What about Gazans? Do you believe they deserve to have 20 Oct 7th done to them every single night?
No, they don’t deserve it. If you were Israel, and 1200 of your people would have been murdered, raped and 400 were taken hostages, what would you do differently?
What would you do “differently” since those Gazans don’t deserve to die in a crowded hospital after a failing amputation attempt because there are no meds and Israel is shelling outside?
Btw I just want to say that 17 thousand of my “people” have already been killed by Israel since I’m Palestinian.
As a Palestinian, you don’t have any criticism of Hamas ? Oct 7th was just an “act of resistance” according to your view?
Do you agree with Hamas ? Why one state solution and not two states?
Hmmm seems like you pull this shit out of your ass, I’m very critical of Hamas.
A one state solution because it was always a single land, where all Palestinans and Jews can be equal. What part of that bothers you?
PS: notice how you just brushed aside the suffering of all Palestinians to come and talk about Hamas. Using Hamas as an excuse for genocide is no better than an excuse for the holocaust or for apartheid. It’s quite disgusting how easily you can just forget the deaths of many innocent people or think that October 7th somehow justifies a second Nakba and a second holocaust.
This seems to be a typical Hasbara account (the Israeli equivalent to Putin trolls).
They keep saying Gaza is not an open air prison. But would they agree to live there for a year like an average civilian?
Would they support the right of Palestine to exist? Would they support the Palestinian right to self determination as people? Do they think Palestinians should have the right to live in their homes?
The answer to all of these questions would be a lot of Blabla leading to an eventual no for an answer. Therefore it makes little sense to interact with these accounts, except for the purpose of calling out their BS
Anyway also please answer my question, what would you have done differently to committing a genocide and ethnic cleansing? 😊😊😊😊
Says you under a headline that read s “Gazan society On brick of full blow collapse”.
It’s collapsing because of Israeli indiscriminate bombing yet you make no demands on the genocidal freaks pulling the trigger.
Shame on you
Hamas already did release the hostages, the ones the IDF haven’t killed in airstrikes at least
Airstrikes don’t affect underground tunnels where Hamas hides with all the humanitarian supplies and fuel along with the precious hostages while the less privileged Gazans suffer above
damn, you really believe that, don’t you?like the massive supply bunkers below the hospital?, the hospital that they had laid siege to for days before storming it, meaning that Hamas should have not been able to get anything out, and the greatest horror was a few guns, a diaper, and a bomb shelter that Israel put in when they built the building, full of jack shit.
Every Palestinian in Gaza knows they are using hospitals, mosques, schools to conduct their military operation from there. Have you seen them wearing uniforms in their videos?
This is no secret, it’s playbook assymetric warfare tactic I honestly don’t understand the denial about it. Do you expect them to have some military base with a helicopter landing so Israel can bomb it in a second?
Damn, imagine wounded combatants being treated at hospitals, of course you happen to forget that Hamas doesn’t even have a uniform, nor that it’s still a war crime to attack hospitals.
The justification of Israel to bomb hospitals always shows the building its self full of tunnels and storing red exploding barrels. because anything less than that is a war crime…
the only person in denial about anything here is you and the Geneva convention.
They most definitely have uniforms, they just don’t use them when fighting Israel as they are embedded inside civilians. And they most definitely hide and attack from schools, mosques and hospitals.
“But how will we justify all this killing and murder?”
"Ahhh, we’ll just invent “proximity bombing” and say that people in their homes and on the street are “human shields”, even though they are just living their lives normally, and every time we bomb a hospital, we can just say “KHAMAS was embedded within the population… that way whenever 100 Palestinian civilians die by “accident”, we can fall back on that excuse”.
the closest thing Hamas has to a uniform is something black and MAYBE a headband that sometimes is green.
turns out the Goth club in town is actually a uniformed Hamas HQ.
but in all reality, there hasn’t been a single insurgency in history that has had a uniform, and there never will be.
There are no hostages in Ba Sing Se.
Got it.
It’s sad seeing you make such a reference because clearly you didn’t even understand anything from that show.
Correction: Some individual actions taken on October 7th (with no evidence they were Hamas policy) were wrong. October 7th as a whole was resistance against a foreign occupier, which is allowed under international law.
Wow this is a very delusional take. Hamas didn’t rampage into the “Settlements” of land that has been taken, they went deep into Israel. And I don’t think international law allows you to kill or capture civilians or children and hold them for ransom.
They didn’t hold them for ransom. They demanded the release of Palestinian prisoners in Israel, which Israel is detaining in a way that conflicts with international law (unlawful detainment, torture, withllding food, already several prioners have died in Israeli prisons since October 7th, but the correct word is that they were murdered/assassinated by Israel.
International law generally makes exceptions for actions that have military purpose. Israel created a status quo where one of the few things Hamas can do that actually make the lives of Palestinians better is take hostages, so from my understanding it’d be allowed by international law.
Your understanding of international law is absolutely frightening. Go ask ChatGPT that question before you say it out loud again.
Israel was not occupying Gaza, in fact it withdrew its settlements and all army forces in 2005. On October 7th, not a single Israeli soldier was in Gaza.
Thanks. That’s a good explanation of it.
But where does one draw the line between “Individual action” and “battalion action”?
When the atrocity in question was ordered or encouraged by the leadership. The point the blame passes from the individual to the institution is when the institution gets involved in the atrocity. So if Hamas had said “kill civilians” or “rape women” we’d have to blame Hamas for that, but as long as it’s a decision an individual made on their own only the individual bears responsibility.
so, if, for example, the head of government goes and awards medals to people shooting children you would assume that the government supports that, right?
Uh… Yes? Is that going on in Hamas?
It’s funny because literally the IDF gets pizza coupons for killing Palestinians. That’s how trivial Palestinian life is to the IDF.
What’s the standard for this in the U.S.? It reaches only as far up the ladder as anyone can definitively prove. Abu Gharib saw like, what, a lieutenant fired or something. But when it’s “the enemy”, all of a sudden we assume by default the decision came from the highest levels, and it’s carte blanche to wipe out 2.5 million people living in a giant concentration camp, in a supposed attempt to do regime change.
I mean, let’s be honest, this looks like a serious genocide attempt, and Bibi has been saying genocidal things every few days.
The “enemy” in their comment is Hamas. You’re agreeing with them.