Not sure why Signal gets all the attention when Matrix is much more successful at spreading open source messaging and is also decentralized.
I’m still trying to find the source of this “60 million users” claim. Any idea where that came from?
Maybe some New Vector press release: https://pressreleases.responsesource.com/news/103000/decentralised-matrix-network-hits-60-million-users-sets-sights-on-100-million/ ?But they have been IMHO artificially inflating user numbers by not counting only active users.
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Please use the menu above to view other relevant releases. heh
Now I wonder whether I should delete the posts that I made on Reddit.actually, Matthew (the main Matrix dude) clarified this:
the >60M users (actual figure is 64M) is based on the phone-home reporting to matrix.org that synapse optionally does
the graph looks like this:
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of these, around 30M are natively on Matrix (the others are bridged in from other platforms)
and of those about 14M are long-term matrix usersThat’s a much better response. 14 million sounds more realistic. Very strange that they count bridged users (30 million!) as matrix users though.
Indeed strange without quantifying that number in any way, but at least it still sort of tells that you can reach 60 milion people (or bots ;)) via Matrix, even if 30 million of them don’t use it.
The IRC bridge is AFAIK also recreating a lot of ghost users everytime it breaks, and that happens a lot 😅
It’s more like Matrix is using them
By that count we could also count every Matrix user as a Jabber user. And every SMS user!
Such easy round single numbers do well in advocacy of the technology. In the Netherlands the social network project PubHubs has just started (with some serious backers, like Dutch public broadcasters, 2 universities), and they’ll use the Matrix protocol. Though they will be cryptographically separated from the rest of the Matrix network. In their presentations couple of weeks ago they mentioned a Matrix user base of 30 something million, influencing their technology choice. And I was like “Huh? Wow. That’s a lot”.
Given Matrix’s decentralized nature, I don’t think they can count active users.
Perhaps but they can still count many. Plus the vast majority of users are on one server
Signal has a lot of things going for it Matrix doesn’t have… more convenient, simpler, easier to use, more focus on privacy, better calling. Matrix does some things Signal does, but they have different feature sets really. Matrix being free software, unfortunately, doesn’t matter to most people. Matrix also arguably isn’t really about security and privacy. It’s more of a universal chat platform, so they don’t compete directly.
The fact the Matrix is usually marketed as a platform for secure and private communications is somewhat difficult to understand.
I think the reason they are considered similar is the usage of Double Ratchet encryption.
I don’t think Signal is much easier than Matrix. This is why I’m so excited about Telegram. Telegram’s an easy to use and feature rich chat app that also has open source clients and decent Linux support. It’s great for using with non-techie friends. Matrix is great for using with techie friends. Signal is somewhere in between, and doesn’t really fullfill either role.
but Telegram doesn’t even have encyption, lol
Of course it does. It just doesn’t have E2E encryption by default (you can turn it on with secret chats). If the alternative is messaging on Instagram, Facebook Messenger or WhatzApp, then Telegram is superiour.
listen to yourself, it doesn’t have e2e encryption by default?? So the telegram servers can see your chats, that’s not acceptable for a chat software.
e2e also doesn’t work in groups on telegram the last time I checked, so the chat with a couple of friends is out for grabs by whatever jurisdiction telegram is operating under as well, great.
Signal is like 5 times better than this, so is whatsapp (depends though) and of course matrix or xmpp. Comparing it to instagram messaging is a joke.
We actually don’t know what WhatsApp is doing. It’s a closed source app, so there is nothing preventing Facebook from getting your keys and reading your chats. It just takes one national security letter to force them.
Telegram wins because it’s usable by non-techies. And has open source clients. And has a decent Linux client. It’s preferable to chatting over Instagram.
@thervingi
I would still much rather chat to people over whatsapp than telegram because at least whatsapp has E2EE by default.
@sexy_peachWhy do you think WhatsApp has E2EE? It’s a closed source app. There is nothing preventing Facebook from grabbing your keys.
Man, I get this, but you’re late the party. Telegram was exciting 8 years ago. :)
The recently have reached around 700 Million users. Telegram is de-Facebooking the internet faster than anything else.
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