• @squashkin@wolfballs.com
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    -32 years ago

    ironically to me the fsf doesn’t even offer truly “free” software which would be software in the public domain

    it would take probably getting rid of “intellectual property” altogether to get to that point tho, I’m aware of issues that exist with the current “public domain”, although I wish people and the FSF would recognize this alternative vision of what some people think free software is or at least be aware of it when describing their vision

    • poVoq
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      62 years ago

      First of all this video is by the FSF-Europe, a only loosely affiliated lobbying organization that mainly targets EU governments with their idea of “public money - public code”.

      Second, the FSF does recognize permissive licenses just fine, but why should they become yet another me-too organization promoting those? There are plenty of such organizations in the open-source space already.

    • @southerntofu@lemmy.ml
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      52 years ago

      The public domain is only as public as you allow it to remain. Looser licenses like MIT/Apache enable privatization over time of public knowledge. The copyleft is much closer to a socialist/anarchist abolition of property: goods are collective and can be used for any personal purpose, as long as the communal properties are ensured.

      • @squashkin@wolfballs.com
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        12 years ago

        I’m sold more in the public domain direction

        “The public domain is only as public as you allow it to remain”

        Well I don’t find copyleft to be fully public, as it forces people to use the license and worry about abiding by its terms and about using compatible licenses and all of those kind of issues

        “The copyleft is much closer to a socialist/anarchist abolition of property”

        It’s not though in my view, it’s basically enforced by government and closes off commercial use sometimes and forces people to go along with whatever the rules are with the license; it’s like an authoritarian socialism, and definitely not anarchist as that would allow you to do whatever you want with the code (public domain would be anarchist, to me)

        So the forced socialism isn’t really anarchist I guess is what I mainly don’t like, it probably requires just getting rid of intellectual property / IP altogether though to have actual / complete software freedom

        • @southerntofu@lemmy.ml
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          42 years ago

          it’s basically enforced by government and closes off commercial use sometimes

          I’m not aware of a single instance of government enforcement of copyleft (although there’s been threats of legal actions), and copyleft certainly does not prevent commercial use at all.

          forces people to go along with whatever the rules are with the license

          The only rule of the license is “don’t change the license”, i.e. let everyone enjoy the same rights you did. If you find that authoritarian, i don’t know what to say.

          it probably requires just getting rid of intellectual property / IP altogether though to have actual / complete software freedom

          I agree in principle (if we abolish all other property with it :)) but as an isolated measure it would not be efficient. Hardware manufacturers would still write crappy Windows drivers instead of releasing their hardware data sheets unless they’re compelled by law, and what good does it do us to share compiled binaries if we can’t access the source code? In fact, the situation may even be worse because without the threat of copyleft enforcement shady corporations may in fact just keep violating copyleft.

          It all depends on the specifics, but removing intellectual property without abolishing capitalism is in my view insignificant.