I haven’t hosted my own matrix server yet. is it safe to join an instance? I don’t really know how private that would be. the question is when I signup/login would I be giving out my IP? is the metadata private? sorry for asking this, I’m just a bit paranoid

  • Gwynne@lemmy.mlOP
    3·
    4 years ago

    then my only choice is to just host my own servers. most of the time I talk to people 1-on-1 so it works for me.

      • jazzfes@lemmy.ml
        6·
        4 years ago

        I tried this a few times, but for me it never worked reliably. Are you using it as a day-to-day kind of thing? Family and friends?

        • Gwynne@lemmy.mlOP
          2·
          4 years ago

          yeah, I think It’s best on a zombie apocalypse, or a mass surveillance one. since messages can only be sent when both peers are online

      • Gwynne@lemmy.mlOP
        1·
        4 years ago

        I never tried it, but heard from well-known people that it has the highest opsec.

    • poVoq@lemmy.ml
      7·
      4 years ago

      Only if you self-host and the other person is also using an account on your server (or another trusted server).

      Edit: also note that Synapse has pretty hefty system requirements and the database quickly grows using many gigabytes of data.

      • Gwynne@lemmy.mlOP
        3·
        4 years ago

        I’ll have to make sure IRLs talk to me within or with their own servers. for online users I shouldn’t worry that much. is there a good matrix client for multiple accounts? I’m kind of leading a double life.

        • scrote@lemmy.ml
          5·
          4 years ago

          Mirage supports multiple accounts. It’s still in alpha but worth keeping an eye on. Most features work (including E2EE), but a couple are missing (emoji reactions aren’t shown/usable, and if someone edits a message it is instead shown as a new message).
          Fractal currently does not support E2EE or multiple accounts, but E2EE is coming in their new branch (Fractal-next) and multiple accounts are on their to-do.

          • Gwynne@lemmy.mlOP
            3·
            4 years ago

            because element is the most complete with features. only needs to implement TOR and Multiple accounts. and then I’m sold. for privacy and simplicity, I’ll just use xmpp

        • poVoq@lemmy.ml
          4·
          4 years ago

          I am not aware of one. But why not XMPP? Is is easier to self-host, works nicely over Tor and most clients have multi-account support. It also produces much less metadata and usually does not store it longer than necessary.

          • Gwynne@lemmy.mlOP
            3·
            4 years ago

            you have a point there… maybe I should just use XMPP+Mumble server for voIP. I’ll avoid matrix as for now as long as it has many privacy holes. and I already know how to use XMPP over tor which is convenient.

            how is XMPP’s end-to-end encryption though, I heard alot of varying opinions on that.

            • poVoq@lemmy.ml
              2·
              4 years ago

              For me e2ee on XMPP with OMEMO works fine, never had problems with it. But I guess your best experience will be if both sides use the Conversations client on Android.

          • jazzfes@lemmy.ml
            1·
            4 years ago

            What would be a good way to host your own XMPP server for messaging and video? I tried setting up ejabbert but didn’t get it to work for video… setting up a synapse server on the other hand was easier.

            Any other options? Or good ejabbert guides for that matter?

            • poVoq@lemmy.ml
              2·
              4 years ago

              You set up both synapse and jitsi-meet? Because Matrix does not natively support video at all and simply uses the XMPP based Jitsi-meet for it. Also did you setup your own identity service for Synapse? Because without both, you didn’t really self-host matrix :p

              In general though, getting video to work with STUN/TURN is a bit more involved. But this is a general issue and also happens if you self-host video support with Matrix.

              But you might have better luck with https://snikket.org/ which tries to include everything and is based on Prosody.

            • poVoq@lemmy.ml
              4·
              4 years ago

              Could you explain a bit better what you mean? SIMPLE might be somewhat comparable purely as a protocol, but for all practical purposes is isn’t comparable to XMPP as there are no good clients and no federated network.

              • Echedenyan@lemmy.ml
                1·
                4 years ago

                There is federated network and good client. Linphone is an example. Jitsi (not Jitsi Meet) is other.

                You can send messages to any SIP account using SIMPLE.

                • poVoq@lemmy.ml
                  1·
                  4 years ago

                  Weeeelll, technically. But there is no where near the same ecosystem as for XMPP. Also I don’t think there is e2ee for SIMPLE.

                  • Echedenyan@lemmy.ml
                    1·
                    4 years ago

                    Every business here use SIP-Phones (calls only though), mostly with propietary implementations but is something very extended at business and institutions level.

              • Echedenyan@lemmy.ml
                1·
                4 years ago

                The XMPP calls are set in Jingle XEPs. AFAIK, there are big stability issues even with the XEPs for STUN/TURN discovery.

                • linkpop@lemmy.ml
                  1·
                  4 years ago

                  Your experience may vary, but on my personal XMPP server with it’s own STUN/TURN server using conversations.im - calls pretty much Just Work (edit: I’ve only tried a call with a siskin client outside of conversations and that worked too).